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re: (takes off SEC goggles for two seconds) Satellite Camps, what's the big deal???
Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:02 pm to mwade91383
Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:02 pm to mwade91383
Funny when it was the SEC who seemed to sign more (or over signed as many call it), the northern schools didn't have a problem whining about that......even though it was acceptable under the rules as they existed. But the big10 conference would not allow it. Didn't see them applauding the SEC for playing within the rules.......
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Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:14 pm to We_R_The_Tide
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But the big10 conference would not allow it. Didn't see them applauding the SEC for playing within the rules.......
This wasn't made illegal until today...
I think the NCAA just needs to allow for official visits in a kids sophomore and junior year. It is too late for s kid to visit s school in October of his senior year when he has been to other schools 5 times since it's a 3 hour drive. Not just Midwest schools what about a kid on the west coast who may want to go see FSU or LSU and can't afford it
Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:29 pm to mwade91383
It's not fair to the smaller schools that can't afford it. Actually as a LSU fan you should sympathize with that.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:48 pm to BammerDelendaEst
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Yes, Bama fans are all about protecting smaller programs.
Like UAB.
I personally don't give a shite about the smaller programs. But they are the programs that would pay the price over these camps. Two fold actually. First, they wouldn't be getting those kids that were under the radar that usually fall through the cracks. Second, they aren't going to have the budget to run the camps. But the second one is the only one I was worried over. Either everyone should do it, or no one. The SEC (and the ACC>?) had conference rules against them.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:54 pm to mwade91383
There is nothing fair in sec why should we make an exemption for something that would be liability to us !
Posted on 4/8/16 at 5:43 pm to mwade91383
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Does this mean we need to apply that same precedent to everything else football teams to do get ahead? I mean, those that can afford it?
I think you are missing a key point. The NCAA does try to do this. They tried to limit the number of times a team could appear on TV and it took Oklahoma and Georgia suing them to prevent that from happening.
They tried to limit the salaries of assistant coaches but also failed for legal reasons.
One of the biggest complaints is that the NCAA's recruiting rules are too ticky-tack and that is why the Power 5 talk about leaving every now and then.
This post was edited on 4/8/16 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 4/8/16 at 9:29 pm to mwade91383
And why are some people acting like this is some unprecedented action taken by the NCAA.
Back in the day, there used to be no scholarship limitations. And coaches like, oh who was it? Oh yeah, Bear Bryant used that to his advantage and signed players just so his competitors couldn't. That was seen as an unfair advantage, so the NCAA stepped in and leveled the playing field with the 85 scholarship rule.
Innovation and pushing the boundaries can be a good thing but when those innovations aren't available to everyone - IE it being against the conference rules of the SEC and ACC - then it's an unfair advantage.
Even stupid innovations get clipped; like when Chizik was at Auburn and did his cheesy "Tiger Prowl" routine and multiple coaches showed up at schools in limos and stretch Hummers and goofy shirts. The NCAA outlawed it because they anticipated the use of "showier vehicles" and also limited the number of coaches from one school that can visit at the same time to two.
Those are just two instances where the NCAA looked at the slippery slope on recruiting innovations and stepped in before they became a giant circus.
Back in the day, there used to be no scholarship limitations. And coaches like, oh who was it? Oh yeah, Bear Bryant used that to his advantage and signed players just so his competitors couldn't. That was seen as an unfair advantage, so the NCAA stepped in and leveled the playing field with the 85 scholarship rule.
Innovation and pushing the boundaries can be a good thing but when those innovations aren't available to everyone - IE it being against the conference rules of the SEC and ACC - then it's an unfair advantage.
Even stupid innovations get clipped; like when Chizik was at Auburn and did his cheesy "Tiger Prowl" routine and multiple coaches showed up at schools in limos and stretch Hummers and goofy shirts. The NCAA outlawed it because they anticipated the use of "showier vehicles" and also limited the number of coaches from one school that can visit at the same time to two.
Those are just two instances where the NCAA looked at the slippery slope on recruiting innovations and stepped in before they became a giant circus.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:43 pm to cardboardboxer
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No it's very clear what it would mean. The second some judge rules against the NCAA goodbye most men's sport and almost all women's sports. And because that would violate Title IX, goodbye teams actually associated with the university. We will move to basically a minor league where each booster group at each university has a club that is somewhat affiliated with the school. At that point there would be no regulation, nothing like the NCAA. It will be a madhouse.
The death of amateurism combined with the whole head injury thing will make college football unrecognizable in 40 years. Seeing as how football minor leagues never are successful we have to assume the sport will shrink which will suck for everyone involved.
Therefore the best plan is to delay the inevitable for as long as possible
All of this because of satellite camps? Come on. We can justify NFL caliber stadiums, state of the art facilities, camps galore, 50 person coaching staff and support, humongous tv deals all in the name of amateurism but THIS, THIS is the thing that's going to tip the scales??? What are you basing that on?
I stand by my point. Other non sec acc schools have a right to be pissed. You can't justify all of that and then say "no, this is the thing that's too much.....oh and it is a huge benefit to teams in the south....but yeah, all that other stuff makes sense, for amateurs, but this is too far".
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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If you commit to a school, or coach at a school, that is in the north and has notoriously bad weather, you don't get to complain that it's not sunny enough for practice. You made that bed, you lie in it.
As for "fairness", road alreadyd said it. Maybe 20% of the country would be able to do as they please and practice anywhere, but the other 80+ teams simply can't do that.
This, plus aren't the players supposed to be STUDENT athletes?
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:57 pm to Tiger Live2
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This, plus aren't the players supposed to be STUDENT athletes?
:rotflmao:
Posted on 4/9/16 at 8:59 am to mwade91383
Why can't you see the positive side of this? An earlier signing period and potentially earlier official visits (and more of them) for prospects.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:09 am to mwade91383
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All of this because of satellite camps? Come on.
No way. When the system fails it will fail because of the huge stadiums and huge TV deals. That is what the judges will focus on. The NCAA is in freakout mode because the writing's on the wall and the emperor has no clothes. Hence their "unfair" decisions.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:41 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Why can't you see the positive side of this? An earlier signing period and potentially earlier official visits (and more of them) for prospects.
The positives are obvious, esp for us SEC boys, and really this argument is more me playing devil's advocate than anything else. Although I understand my tone can be misleading.
My whole point is this rule is arbitrary and really doesn't make much sense in the big picture, especially if you're trying to be consistent with everything else that's going on and fair to everyone.
It is a positive (for us) but its indefensible from the standpoint of a governing body.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:48 am to cardboardboxer
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No way. When the system fails it will fail because of the huge stadiums and huge TV deals. That is what the judges will focus on. The NCAA is in freakout mode because the writing's on the wall and the emperor has no clothes. Hence their "unfair" decisions.
Agreed.
So back to square one, if that's true and what really will make the difference why then is THIS rule (which admittedly heavily favors one part over another) justifiable? There's no definitive proof of what the actual value it would bring to top schools, that remains to be seen.
It really just hurts the B list players vying for big time offers who might be overlooked locally, who also might not be able to afford unofficial visits or ever be rewarded officials to the schools they're targeting.
It also hurts the B list teams who send coaches to top flight school camps to recruit the guys that can't play at the LSUs & Bamas of the world. Thats where many of them find their guys, but no they're forbidden to go to those places. So this "hurt the little guy" argument is nonsense too.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 10:12 am to mwade91383
I'm not aware of any small schools complaining. Only A couple of important SEC teams
Posted on 4/9/16 at 10:14 am to mwade91383
What's done is done. I am glad the overzealous Michigan fans were shut down. But this ruling does hurt schools that had been conducting less public camps for years.
But I want to point out once again that this can help with the move pass an earlier signing period and more official visits. That can help potential prospects as much, or more, than any of these camps would have.
But I want to point out once again that this can help with the move pass an earlier signing period and more official visits. That can help potential prospects as much, or more, than any of these camps would have.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 11:34 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I am glad the overzealous Michigan fans were shut down
Why? Because SEC fans are so sensible all the time? Now were critical of them trying too hard???
If the roles were reversed and the northern states we're winning like we've been for the last decade with all local recruits the melt around here would be as legendary as it gets. Everybody around here who wants to be honest knows that.
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But I want to point out once again that this can help with the move pass an earlier signing period and more official visits. That can help potential prospects as much, or more, than any of these camps would have.
I mean I hope you're right but there's nothing definitive to suggest that, really just wishful thinking at this point.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 11:38 am to mwade91383
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mwade91383
BTW Ohio State was planning on coming to Louisiana and camping on your front lawn....frick those yankees.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 11:41 am to reel_gator8
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BTW Ohio State was planning on coming to Louisiana and camping on your front lawn....frick those yankees.
Glad its not happening, really I am. But that was never my point.
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