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re: (takes off SEC goggles for two seconds) Satellite Camps, what's the big deal???
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:14 pm to mwade91383
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:14 pm to mwade91383
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And I challenge you to say something other than "other school can't afford it" because we know that statute doesn't hold up with anything else, ever.
The affordability aspect is the unfair advantage. UCF can't afford to host camps in different states. Michigan can. Michgan comes to FL and takes recruits that would have gone to UCF.
Unfair advantage.
What is your "anything else"? I'm trying to get you to talk about specifics so we can agree or disagree. I have nothing to work with though with these "things" and "its". Give me sumpin' to work with here.
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Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:14 pm to RECConspiracy
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Every new arms race makes amateurism harder to defend in court.
DING! We have a winner.
Maintain the status quo above all else, keep the money and control where it's supposed to be. I love the amount of honesty this thread is generating.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:15 pm to mwade91383
The rule wasn't just opposed by the SEC and the ACC.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:16 pm to mwade91383
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So it's about maintaining the illusion of fairness???
Fairness between program? No, no way.
Perceived fairness between what colleges get from athletes and what athletes get in return? Hell yes.
The problem with putting up camps all over the place is that takes away from any sort of regional mission of the program, and a fantasy that college football is a great opportunity for local boys to get an education.
Plus all those camps and their travel and their flashiness cost money, money that some lawyers would argue should be in the pockets of the players. Another bonus for a coach isn't as big of deal because everyone does that without fanfare, but this was a situation that was all over the news and who knows where it would have ended?
Basically anything that makes the sport seem less like a student organization and more like a ruthless professional league is a bad thing. Once the NCAA loses some lawsuits that may change, it might have to change.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:18 pm to roadGator
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The rule wasn't just opposed by the SEC and the ACC.
No, not in writing, but those are the major benefactors. Surely, we can agree on that?
And when I say "anything else" I literally mean anything else that comes with the top flight SEC player expierience. the facilities, the 50 person support staff, the meal plans, the gear, all of it.
Why do these satellite camps fall under "other schools can't afford it" but none of those things do? Are they not all to do the exact same thing these camps are meant to do, which is improve recruiting?
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:19 pm to mwade91383
You are seeing the light. Because of all those things the NCAA doesn't want to escalate the war to make the problem bigger.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:24 pm to cardboardboxer
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The problem with putting up camps all over the place is that takes away from any sort of regional mission of the program, and a fantasy that college football is a great opportunity for local boys to get an education.
Plus all those camps and their travel and their flashiness cost money, money that some lawyers would argue should be in the pockets of the players. Another bonus for a coach isn't as big of deal because everyone does that without fanfare, but this was a situation that was all over the news and who knows where it would have ended?
Basically anything that makes the sport seem less like a student organization and more like a ruthless professional league is a bad thing. Once the NCAA loses some lawsuits that may change, it might have to change.
If I'm a fan of a non SEC school, the time for revolution is now. The NCAA wants to keep up this farce and I don't blame them but at the point they design rules to put my school at a competitive disadvantage over those I'm competing against, they no longer deserve to be in charge.
Say what you will but all those big ten, big twelve, pac 12, etc. fans have a right to be pissed in my opinion. I guess at the end of the day, that was really my point.
But at the same time, f**k them.
S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C!
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:24 pm to mwade91383
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Maintain the status quo above all else, keep the money and control where it's supposed to be.
That is exactly the NCAA's goal. I would argue it's their primary job.
The moment amateurism dies not only is the sport never the same, but whole sports under the NCAA banner will die when ADs can't afford to subsidize them anymore. The NCAA wants to delay that for as long as possible.
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I love the amount of honesty this thread is generating.
What do we have to lose? Normally the SEC is the one that the NCAA is trying to reign in, it's nice to have the shoe on the other foot.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:27 pm to mwade91383
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If I'm a fan of a non SEC school, the time for revolution is now.
Uh, the Big 10 makes more money per program than the SEC does in the current system. The ACC is a basketball powerhouse thanks to Power 5 money. The PAC has programs that dominate a number of sports, the death of amateurism would end that.
Basically the opinion of anyone that matters is the status quo is best for them. The only people that have a right to be pissed are players who watch as these organizations tie themselves in knots to avoid admitting the unfairness of the system.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:28 pm to cardboardboxer
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The moment amateurism dies not only is the sport never the same, but whole sports under the NCAA banner will di
It's unclear what this would mean but I'm not completely sold it would be a bad thing in the long run.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:29 pm to mwade91383
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I'm not completely sold it would be a bad thing in the long run.
It will be a very bad thing. It's happening though.
It's all a sham now anyway.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:34 pm to cardboardboxer
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Uh, the Big 10 makes more money per program than the SEC does in the current system.
Does that make unfair rules okay?
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:36 pm to mwade91383
Michigan fans wanted to be self righteous and say they were helping out the "poor kids".
I say they would hurt smaller programs that can't afford to hold these camps.
I say they would hurt smaller programs that can't afford to hold these camps.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:37 pm to mwade91383
PAC 12 and Big 12 voted against the camp's.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:38 pm to mwade91383
quote:Some colleges could set up camp anywhere they wanted, some couldn't.
what's the big deal???
Alabama could set up anywhere. In fact Coach Saban mentioned the Washington, D.C. area would be a place he would have considered.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:39 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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I say they would hurt smaller programs that can't afford to hold these camps.
Yes, Bama fans are all about protecting smaller programs.
Like UAB.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:42 pm to mwade91383
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It's unclear what this would mean
No it's very clear what it would mean. The second some judge rules against the NCAA goodbye most men's sport and almost all women's sports. And because that would violate Title IX, goodbye teams actually associated with the university. We will move to basically a minor league where each booster group at each university has a club that is somewhat affiliated with the school. At that point there would be no regulation, nothing like the NCAA. It will be a madhouse.
The death of amateurism combined with the whole head injury thing will make college football unrecognizable in 40 years. Seeing as how football minor leagues never are successful we have to assume the sport will shrink which will suck for everyone involved.
Therefore the best plan is to delay the inevitable for as long as possible.
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Does that make unfair rules okay?
In a way, yes. There might be a few rules that doesn't make the Big 10 happy, but if they upset the apple cart it might tip over onto their golden goose. Better just to leave it alone.
I mean the Big 10 won a national title last year. They aren't at some crazy huge disadvantage anyway. Nothing worth ruining the sport over.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:53 pm to mwade91383
quote:Are you a fan of a school that is a member of the NCAA?
If I'm a fan of a non SEC school, the time for revolution is now. The NCAA wants to keep up this farce and I don't blame them but at the point they design rules to put my school at a competitive disadvantage over those I'm competing against, they no longer deserve to be in charge.
Say what you will but all those big ten, big twelve, pac 12, etc. fans have a right to be pissed in my opinion. I guess at the end of the day, that was really my point.
But at the same time, f**k them.
Because the NCAA is strictly a voluntary organization. Hell, the NCAA is made up of "member" institutions - the members are in charge.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:53 pm to jatebe
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Alabama could set up anywhere. In fact Coach Saban mentioned the Washington, D.C. area would be a place he would have considered.
There would be at least 1-2 camps held by different schools in each city of Atlanta, Orlando/Tampa, Miami, Tidewater Va./D.C, Charlotte, Dallas etc. every week. It would be insane & make the AAU BB/Nike UA 7 on 7 systems look like a buncha choir picnics in comparison...
This post was edited on 4/8/16 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:58 pm to BammerDelendaEst
quote:The University of Alabama subsidized UAB for damn near 2 decades. If that ain't protection, I don't know what is.
Yes, Bama fans are all about protecting smaller programs.
Like UAB.
This post was edited on 4/8/16 at 3:59 pm
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