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re: Sure You Wanna Speed It Up? Faster Offenses Lead To Weaker Defenses In The SEC
Posted on 6/24/13 at 1:08 am to S.E.C. Crazy
Posted on 6/24/13 at 1:08 am to S.E.C. Crazy
So what? A&M did just fine with a HUNH last year. Oregon losing to the SEC teams done at mean their offense won't work. It means they need better depth.
It's harder for Oregon to get players as good as schools in the South, Cali, Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania simply due to where they are located. They are not always going to have the depth needed to win it all.
Hell, if it werent for a freak play where everyone thought the ball carrier was down Oregon probably takes out Auburn for the natty. Never mind that Auburn ran also ran a lightning quick offense that year.
It's harder for Oregon to get players as good as schools in the South, Cali, Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania simply due to where they are located. They are not always going to have the depth needed to win it all.
Hell, if it werent for a freak play where everyone thought the ball carrier was down Oregon probably takes out Auburn for the natty. Never mind that Auburn ran also ran a lightning quick offense that year.
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 3:05 am to bona fide
quote:none. Never. No way no how.
Didn't read, but how many HUNH offenses have won a National Title?
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 5:32 am to Dr RC
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Auburn ran also ran a lightning quick offense that year.
Malzahnification. It is back.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 5:47 am to Gardevoir
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Alabama
Figures, Knew it before I even clicked the thread..
Posted on 6/24/13 at 6:06 am to Gardevoir
A&M had its best defense since the Slocum years last season. OP's argument is invalid.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 6:15 am to TTsTowel
It is a sign of desparation. Run and gun, no huddle, hurry up are all variations of short term success gimmicks.
I think this idea had merit years ago because coaches with superior talent didn't feel the need to change their style. But along came the Ol' Ball Coach in the SEC and some other coaches willing to break out of the corporate-think of the coaching industry that were willing to combine superior talent with a wide open (In the OBC's case) or up-tempo (in others') attack. I don't think up-tempo offense and sound defense are mutually exclusive terms.
However, I do think the margin for error on your defense's sustainability is lower when you speed up your tempo or throw it a ton. That's why I like Bama's style offense much more tactically and stylistically.
I think this idea had merit years ago because coaches with superior talent didn't feel the need to change their style. But along came the Ol' Ball Coach in the SEC and some other coaches willing to break out of the corporate-think of the coaching industry that were willing to combine superior talent with a wide open (In the OBC's case) or up-tempo (in others') attack. I don't think up-tempo offense and sound defense are mutually exclusive terms.
However, I do think the margin for error on your defense's sustainability is lower when you speed up your tempo or throw it a ton. That's why I like Bama's style offense much more tactically and stylistically.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 6:16 am
Posted on 6/24/13 at 6:56 am to Gardevoir
see I kinda remember LSU shutting down oregon offense two years ago.
a fast and strong defense will slow down a good offense no matter how fast they are.
BTW did a speedy offense win the championship last year. Now a powerful immovable defense did.
two years ago (even though I want to forget it) the nations top two defenses squared off against each other, and the only time they lost the entire season was to each other.
teams may be getting quicker on offense but the team who wins year after year after year won't be the teams with offense and not much defense it will be the teams with great defense and enough offense to win.
the only offensive team to win it recently was Auburn with scam newton.
a fast and strong defense will slow down a good offense no matter how fast they are.
BTW did a speedy offense win the championship last year. Now a powerful immovable defense did.
two years ago (even though I want to forget it) the nations top two defenses squared off against each other, and the only time they lost the entire season was to each other.
teams may be getting quicker on offense but the team who wins year after year after year won't be the teams with offense and not much defense it will be the teams with great defense and enough offense to win.
the only offensive team to win it recently was Auburn with scam newton.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 7:05 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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did anyone forget what LSU did to Oregon's "mighty offense"
LSU held oregon to 13 points in 3 qrts they scored 14 in the 4th but they did that when LSU already had gotten a solid lead over oregon and they scored some mop up points.
a game like the above shows you that defense beats offense, yes a great offense can move the ball on the best defenses but your not going to going to win a shootout against everyone you play, but with a good enough defense you can hold teams in check and win by low scores more often then you can by just trying to put up 50 points or something.
if Oregon was in the SEC they would lose 2 to 4 games every year.
did anyone forget what LSU did to Oregon's "mighty offense"
LSU held oregon to 13 points in 3 qrts they scored 14 in the 4th but they did that when LSU already had gotten a solid lead over oregon and they scored some mop up points.
a game like the above shows you that defense beats offense, yes a great offense can move the ball on the best defenses but your not going to going to win a shootout against everyone you play, but with a good enough defense you can hold teams in check and win by low scores more often then you can by just trying to put up 50 points or something.
if Oregon was in the SEC they would lose 2 to 4 games every year.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 7:48 am to Dr RC
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Hell, if it werent for a freak play where everyone thought the ball carrier was down Oregon probably takes out Auburn for the natty.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 7:58 am to Gardevoir
I hate that offense. Lets hurry up and run a play before the defense is ready.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 8:46 am to Gardevoir
No shite
Posted on 6/24/13 at 8:49 am to nc14
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It is a sign of desparation. Run and gun, no huddle, hurry up are all variations of short term success gimmicks.
Below stupid
Posted on 6/24/13 at 11:58 am to Nguyening
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***** HUNH ball? Because they don't huddle they are less manly? You can hurry up no huddle and run 10 straight draw plays, the point is limiting defensive substitutions and exploiting the weakness on the field.
Offensive players typically move a bit better/more endurance so defenses get gassed. It's actually a really good strategy, air raid, pro style or whatever.
It has 0 effect on quality of defense. It hurts your def stats bc more possessions = more yards and maybe more points...
One flaw in the logic.
If your offense isn't scoring, then even a 3-out - which can give a few minutes rest - ends up being a much shorter duration.
If that other team's offense just got done plowing down the field, even for a FG, and then the HUNH team's defense is back out there, even more exhausted.
It's a double edged sword because your own D is out there longer.
Most teams can't match Alabama/Florida/Georgia's depth on D, so they basically say, "If I can't substitute because my back-ups are sub-par, then you can't either!"
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:01 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
I thought all SEC defenses just man up and dare you to throw deep...
SO many lock down corners that it shouldn't matter. the HU offense can't work in the SEC. Too much SEC speed.
SO many lock down corners that it shouldn't matter. the HU offense can't work in the SEC. Too much SEC speed.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:20 pm to Gardevoir
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Sure You Wanna Speed It Up? Faster Offenses Lead To Weaker Defenses In The SEC
LSU and Florida's defense didn't think so when they played A&M
Posted on 6/24/13 at 3:16 pm to harmonics
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Stanford plays boring old man football and I seem to recall them shutting Oregon the frick down last year.
Oregon also scored 50+ the two years prior. I am curious to see how Oregon does this year with three preseason 1st team offensive linemen. This group of linemen is the most talented group - Chip really went out and found great kids in the trenches, which he did not inherit.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 3:47 pm to Gardevoir
When your D is legit and well coached, that bs doesn't matter. It really didn't matter what kind of O we played our D was on the field the whole game anyway... Not due to the opposing offense due to ours. 
Posted on 6/24/13 at 4:50 pm to jledet
You don't like it? Then stop it. Don't go whining to the conference about changing the rules!
Bielemia and Saban can go cry crocodile tears!
Bielemia and Saban can go cry crocodile tears!
Posted on 6/24/13 at 4:53 pm to Maroon Flash
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Bielemia
His defense was lined up against Oregon. They just had no one that could catch De'Anthony even with an angle.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 6:26 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Faster paced offenses score/punt quicker, so their defense will always be spending alot more time on the field.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 6:28 pm
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