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re: Sumlin best college coach of 2012
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:05 am to LSUsCRYSTALball
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:05 am to LSUsCRYSTALball
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you're right. no need to play any games except bama!
Assuming we beat Alabama, but lose to LSU, we still win the West.
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:08 am to Silverback
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So if your team is "Elite" why didn't you "win it all"?
Two things:
1) You're distorting the point. I never said the team was elite. I only said it has some elite talent and is more than just Johnny.
2) A team need not win it all in order to be elite. While its arbitrary, I'd probably say most reasonable people would agree that the 5 best teams should be considered elite.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:11 am to Zach
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The NFL is under pressure to hire more black coaches and TAMU can't match NFL money.
No one can really match NFL money--not if a particular team really wants that coach.
We don't know whether Sumlin has interest in the NFL. If he does, then yes, he'll be gone soon enough. If he doesn't, then the difference between what we'd conceivably pay (depending on his success, I'd say as high as mid $4Ms--higher if he wins a MNC) and what the NFL would pay (say $6.5M) won't procure that interest.
The NFL is a different beast; not every coach aspires to work in the league.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:12 am to TeLeFaWx
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Assuming we beat Alabama, but lose to LSU, we still win the West.
congrats on the 2013 west title bud!! all the work this offseason really paid off!
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:16 am to 2close2Gainesville
Do we have nothing else to talk about?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:18 am to Bham4Tide
Best Coach? 
Most Improved or Break Out Performance? Absolutely.
Seriously, I hate when coaches who simply take mediocre to average or take average to good are awarded the "Best" in their field. No, the BEST is the guy who is the BEST, and we all know who that is.
Most Improved or Break Out Performance? Absolutely.
Seriously, I hate when coaches who simply take mediocre to average or take average to good are awarded the "Best" in their field. No, the BEST is the guy who is the BEST, and we all know who that is.
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:24 am to Lordofwrath88
So let me get this straight. Coaching a team to 11 wins, a team that was supposed to fight for 6 wins, is less impressive than coaching a team that was supposed to be able to beat the jaguars but who lost on their home field instead?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:24 am to Lordofwrath88
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Seriously, I hate when coaches who simply take mediocre to average or take average to good are awarded the "Best" in their field. No, the BEST is the guy who is the BEST, and we all know who that is.
Lost to Sumlin.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:25 am to 2close2Gainesville
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And Ole Miss is going to surprise.
their fans are predicting good things so yea most likely the results of this season will be a surprise to them.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:25 am to TeLeFaWx
TAMU used RUINING ALABAMA'S TITLE HOPES
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It's not very effective
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It's not very effective
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:28 am to 2close2Gainesville
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Sumlin best college coach of 2012
no. didn't even win his own conference, or division at that
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:50 am to LSUsCRYSTALball
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no. didn't even win his own conference, or division at that
I guess winning isn't important. That makes sense though, I mean the Aggies have sucked for so long that they got used to categorizing their season by their team's performance in a single game.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:12 pm to Silverback
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I guess winning isn't important.
I mean, it can't be that important. We beat Bama at home and you still managed to have the opportunity to beat up on ND, right?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:14 pm to Silverback
How about I whip your arse? fricking racist.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:21 pm to DWag215
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2) A team need not win it all in order to be elite. While its arbitrary, I'd probably say most reasonable people would agree that the 5 best teams should be considered elite.
How about get close to winning something? Oh yeah, A&M didn't do that either.
Keep finding these moral victories, they are everywhere, and I love what it does to your attitude.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:18 pm to tiggerthetooth
I really don’t give a shite about who is the perceived best coach for a year but this brings up something I’ve been thinking about. How quickly can the affects of a great coach really be felt, as in fundamental improvements down to the foundation, to the point where success can’t be attributed to random circumstances? A&M obviously had a great season that no one saw coming, and if I’m an A&M fan I’m excited about Sumlin’s potential. But can we really attribute so much of this season’s success to a coach who has been in College Station for such a short amount of time? While I saw improvement at Bama in ’07 under Saban’s first year, the record wasn’t a huge leap forward. I can think of countless other examples of a great coach having a terrible debut.
On the opposite side, Kiffin had a pretty good debut at UT, but then bolted and hasn’t looked that great at USC aside from his recruiting. When do you know a coach is legit?
My answer is this season will be huge in determining what Sumlin is made of, now that the rest of the SEC is going into an offseason realizing that A&M is not a joke.
On the opposite side, Kiffin had a pretty good debut at UT, but then bolted and hasn’t looked that great at USC aside from his recruiting. When do you know a coach is legit?
My answer is this season will be huge in determining what Sumlin is made of, now that the rest of the SEC is going into an offseason realizing that A&M is not a joke.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:34 pm to thatthang
quote:Long term success determines the best.
I really don’t give a shite about who is the perceived best coach for a year but this brings up something I’ve been thinking about. How quickly can the affects of a great coach really be felt, as in fundamental improvements down to the foundation, to the point where success can’t be attributed to random circumstances? A&M obviously had a great season that no one saw coming, and if I’m an A&M fan I’m excited about Sumlin’s potential. But can we really attribute so much of this season’s success to a coach who has been in College Station for such a short amount of time? While I saw improvement at Bama in ’07 under Saban’s first year, the record wasn’t a huge leap forward. I can think of countless other examples of a great coach having a terrible debut.
On the opposite side, Kiffin had a pretty good debut at UT, but then bolted and hasn’t looked that great at USC aside from his recruiting. When do you know a coach is legit?
My answer is this season will be huge in determining what Sumlin is made of, now that the rest of the SEC is going into an offseason realizing that A&M is not a joke.
The ability to field a consistantly strong team every year while interchanging skill players over the years and are STILL able to be in the championship discussion, they are the best college coaches.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:34 pm to tiggerthetooth
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How about get close to winning something? Oh yeah, A&M didn't do that either.
So first it's "A&M won't sniff a bowl," then it's "A&M won't beat anyone with a pulse," now--after implicitly conceding elite-status doesn't require a MNC--you're suggesting that, despite earning 11 victories (including one over the national champions), the Heisman Trophy, and a top 5 finish, A&M still hasn't got close to winning "something."
Mmmk.
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:37 pm to DWag215
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Is Johnny the reason why TAMU will have the 1st and 2nd pick of the draft?
No. Mike Sherman is. He's also the reason JFF isn't a Longhorn.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:39 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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No. Mike Sherman is. He's also the reason JFF isn't a Longhorn
Don't forget his best achievement--preceding Kevin Sumlin.
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