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re: Spurrier or Saban
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:07 pm to sooper_rebel
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:07 pm to sooper_rebel
Bama fans can praise Saban but his term limit is about up. A whopping 6 years. He'll slip out the window and be back at Kent by '14.
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:08 pm to elposter
The one major thing Spurrier has over Saban is the innovation factor. Saban doesn't do anything special. He gets the best out of his players, they play tough defense, and control the game with the run. Tons of coaches do that, it's just that saban is the absolute best at it in the game.
With Spurrier though, he redefined what SEC football was. For decades SEC football was the type of game saban plays. Spurrier brought a 5 wide, fun n' gun that took damn near a decade for teams to figure out. And it's not like he was Leach at TT or Mumme at UK, because he actually had a defense and solid RBs to go along with it. Of course that goes along with all his tangible accomplishments on the field, but the new style he brought is why he will always be considered one of the best.
Urban Meyer would go down as one of the best if he stayed in the SEC for 10 years because he did the same thing.
With Spurrier though, he redefined what SEC football was. For decades SEC football was the type of game saban plays. Spurrier brought a 5 wide, fun n' gun that took damn near a decade for teams to figure out. And it's not like he was Leach at TT or Mumme at UK, because he actually had a defense and solid RBs to go along with it. Of course that goes along with all his tangible accomplishments on the field, but the new style he brought is why he will always be considered one of the best.
Urban Meyer would go down as one of the best if he stayed in the SEC for 10 years because he did the same thing.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:09 pm to elposter
I guess I'd have to say Saban too. While Saban has built his little empire on the Black Warrior, I'd have to say that Spurrier's SC teams seem to fall a tad bit short of where they should be.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:09 pm to JDM1992
Ask me in three days
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:10 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:I disagree. Urban was starting to lose control in Gainesville. I suspect it's only a matter of time before that happens at OSU.
Urban Meyer would go down as one of the best if he stayed in the SEC for 10 years because he did the same thing.
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:12 pm to WG_Dawg
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The one major thing Spurrier has over Saban is the innovation factor. Saban doesn't do anything special
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With Spurrier though, he redefined what SEC football was. For decades SEC football was the type of game saban plays. Spurrier brought a 5 wide, fun n' gun that took damn near a decade for teams to figure out.
How many teams ran a 3-4 in college football before saban got to alabama? Spurrier is to offense in the 90's what Saban is to defense today. Alabama has had a top 2 defense nationally since 2008, if that isn't special what is?
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:12 pm to sooper_rebel
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I disagree. Urban was starting to lose control in Gainsville. I suspect it's only a matter of time before that happens at OSU.
He was already on pace for some elite, elite on the field accomplishments, plus the whole spurrier thing of bringing in something new and different.
I wasn't necessarily talking about his discipline, but yeah I guess that might have kept him from really reaching the top. That and he's crazy.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:13 pm to sooper_rebel
Urban Meyer is a countbag. He left us in shambles.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:14 pm to sooper_rebel
Meh Saban went to LSU and then 'Bama. Imagined if Spurrier went to 'Bama after his run at UF and imagine where they'd be.
Oh and Spurrier is 3-1 vs Saban head to head.
Oh and Spurrier is 3-1 vs Saban head to head.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:14 pm to WG_Dawg
Spurrier was innovative and I think that is what he will always be remembered for. But that only extends as far as the Southeastern Conference is concerned. Bobby Bowden and Jimmy Johnson brought that same type of offensive philosophy to their respective programs several years before Steve Spurrier ever arrived at Florida. Spurrier may have brought offensive innovation to the conference but the same things that won championships in the 70s are still the same things that can win you championships in the 21st Century. Alabama and LSU have proven that.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:14 pm to PropJoe
Spurrier in his heydey
But it took someone defensive minded like Saban to slow down the wide open offensees Spurrier was known for.
Had Spurrier been better on defense he would have had a lot more titles back in the 90's, it's amazing he only had one. Plus, Spurrier had to change his offense to fit USCe and play better defense which he did recruiting wise.
But it took someone defensive minded like Saban to slow down the wide open offensees Spurrier was known for.
Had Spurrier been better on defense he would have had a lot more titles back in the 90's, it's amazing he only had one. Plus, Spurrier had to change his offense to fit USCe and play better defense which he did recruiting wise.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:14 pm to Rebelgator
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Rebelgator
You coming to town this weekend?
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:15 pm to WG_Dawg
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Urban Meyer would go down as one of the best if he stayed in the SEC for 10 years because he did the same thing.
Disagree. Urban's slide was already starting after just a few short years. His offense was getting figured out by SEC defenses too.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:15 pm to sooper_rebel
Spurrier single handidly took two perrenial cellar dwellars into national relevance.
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:16 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Spurrier single handidly took two perrenial cellar dwellars into national relevance.
well 2>1 so he wins that argument
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:17 pm to WG_Dawg
Bham? Yeah. Already talked to Nite.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:18 pm to sooper_rebel
saban.
but it's hard to overstate what spurrier has done at SC. where he has them now compared to where they have been historically is a tremendous accomplishment, sec champ or not.
but it's hard to overstate what spurrier has done at SC. where he has them now compared to where they have been historically is a tremendous accomplishment, sec champ or not.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:18 pm to sooper_rebel
I have a friend who played for Spurrier. He suggested my friend not spend so much time studying for classes. When he said he had to devote that much time to studying to stay in school Spurrier sent him out of his office and then his playing time dried up.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:19 pm to sooper_rebel
I would have to take Saban right now. When both were at the top of their game, it would be a tough call. Spurrier is till one hell of a coach though. What he's doing at USCe is very impressive.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Alabama has had a top 2 defense nationally since 2008, if that isn't special what is?
It's executing to near perfection, but running a 3-4 isn't special. I think you mistook:
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Saban doesn't do anything special
as me saying saban hasn't accomplished anything special, which is absolutely not what I was saying. I was saying saban's formula is pretty standard and 100s of coaches in America use the same one: play solid defense, run the ball, limit turnovers, and be disciplined in all aspects. That's no secret, it's just he's a master at it.
Spurrier brought something to the SEC that people hadn't seen and couldn't figure out, and took 5 or 6 years to finally catch up to it.
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