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re: Spurrier at Florida vs. Saban at Bama
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:54 pm to BrerTiger
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:54 pm to BrerTiger
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No doubt Florida would have played for a lot more national titles without FSU on the schedule at a time when FSU had an insane streak of top 5/10 AP finishes in a row.
Spurrier was an early and often proponent of a playoff -- in large part because it gave his team the best chance of having something to play for at year's end.
Was waiting for you to get around to that.
Would disagree with you that the SEC was down in the 90s.
Also, Bama has never, not ever, played UF's schedule. Never has Bama had a tougher schedule than UF since expansion.
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:57 pm to Cockopotamus
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Saban has only won the SEC twice.
Normally I'd follow suit and second this trolltastic statistic.
But we've already established the SEC of the 90s was not on the same level as today's SEC.
Carolina didn't finish in the top 25 even once in the 90s.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:01 pm to scrooster
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Also, Bama has never, not ever, played UF's schedule. Never has Bama had a tougher schedule than UF since expansion.
That's debateable. I think Bama's 2009 schedule was tougher than Florida's. There are probably a few others.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:03 pm to BrerTiger
What Spurrier has done at SC puts him over the top. UF, Bama, and LSU are places with tradition that have a history of winning with some extremely fertile recruiting grounds. With our pathetic history and all the obstacles of having to deal with Clemson to get a much smaller pool of players, what Spurrier has done here making us a perennial power is more impressive then anything else.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:04 pm to scrooster
Our 2009 schedule was 3rd in the country. Played 4 Top 25 (at end of season) that year if I remember correctly.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:04 pm to scrooster
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Would disagree with you that the SEC was down in the 90s.
I guess we'll just have to disagree then.
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Also, Bama has never, not ever, played UF's schedule. Never has Bama had a tougher schedule than UF since expansion.
Bama had Tennessee in the 90s when Tennessee was a tough win. LSU beat Florida once with Florida at the helm. Are you going to argue the East was tougher than the West back then?
I will grant you that Florida had to play Auburn throughout the 90s as I believe everyone had 2 permanent divisional games until 2002. Florida curbstomped them every year between 1996 and 2000 and that may have a lot to do with the lore of why I remember them being so damn good back then. Auburn was 3-11 against Spurrier, which is 2 more wins than we managed.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:10 pm to Cockopotamus
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Saban has only won the SEC twice.
Twice. For someone thats being billed as the best coach ever thats pretty meh
Twice at Alabama. Saban has won the SEC four times.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:11 pm to FourThreeForty
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Our 2009 schedule was 3rd in the country. Played 4 Top 25 (at end of season) that year if I remember correctly.
And 10 Bowl teams.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:14 pm to BrerTiger
Spurrier's "Fun 'n Gun" offense was a juggernaut that really didn't stop until he left Florida for the NFL. What he did there during those years was something we'd never seen in the SEC.
Honestly, I sometimes wonder how things would have played out, had he remained there....
Honestly, I sometimes wonder how things would have played out, had he remained there....
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:50 pm to Cockopotamus
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Saban has only won the SEC twice.
Twice. For someone thats being billed as the best coach ever thats pretty meh
No, he's won it 4 times (2001, 2003, 2009, 2012).
4 SEC Championships in 12 years of coaching SEC football isn't that bad. In addition, he's won 4 national championships in 12 years of coaching SEC football.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:53 pm to Gamecox20
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what Spurrier has done here making us a perennial power
South Carolina is a respectable program, but I wouldn't call them a perennial power. They aren't a team that instills fear in the Big 6 or other major programs around the nation. South Carolina still has a ways to go, but the program can shock the nation and win a SEC or national championship soon.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:12 pm to Gardevoir
Here's the thing though. SC was fricking abysmal before Spurrier. Worse than Kentucky abysmal. It's not like Alabama wasn't a top program before Saban. LSU was also a top program before Saban got there.
Both of the program Saban coached at were certainly experiencing some down years, but the down years for SC was closer to a down century.
Both of the program Saban coached at were certainly experiencing some down years, but the down years for SC was closer to a down century.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:18 pm to BrerTiger
Spurrier was a better coach.
Saban was-is a better recruiter.
Bama pays players more.
End of day, Bama has better players due to saban plus paying more but spurrier would outcoach him if all else was equal.
Not sure one has had a better run than the other overall. Both were impressive runs.
Saban was-is a better recruiter.
Bama pays players more.
End of day, Bama has better players due to saban plus paying more but spurrier would outcoach him if all else was equal.
Not sure one has had a better run than the other overall. Both were impressive runs.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:20 pm to BrerTiger
What Saban has done at Alabama with the current competition in the SEC has been great, but lets get some perspective here:
Saban has only won 2, I repeat TWO SEC titles at Alabama.
He's only won his division TWO TIMES since 2007. That's two titles in 7 years. The only reason he has 3 national titles is because he lucked into the 2011 title game, and he hasn't had to play anyone NEARLY as good as 1995 Nebraska in a title game. If he had, he'd be 2-1 and not 3-0.
Steve Spurrier came into Florida, a place that had never won ANYTHING of note EVER, and promptly won his division 9 times in 12 years, and won 5, count them 5 SEC titles. Had the 1995 gators played anyone other than one of the best CFB teams of all time, he would probably be 2-0 in national title games as well.
So lets pump the breaks on saying that Saban is better than spurrier.
Add in all of this, that he just went to South Carolina, a program that has been a perennial bottom feeder, and has gone 77-39, with 3 straight 11 win seasons, and I'm sorry, but I gotta give the nod to Spurrier here.
Saban has only won 2, I repeat TWO SEC titles at Alabama.
He's only won his division TWO TIMES since 2007. That's two titles in 7 years. The only reason he has 3 national titles is because he lucked into the 2011 title game, and he hasn't had to play anyone NEARLY as good as 1995 Nebraska in a title game. If he had, he'd be 2-1 and not 3-0.
Steve Spurrier came into Florida, a place that had never won ANYTHING of note EVER, and promptly won his division 9 times in 12 years, and won 5, count them 5 SEC titles. Had the 1995 gators played anyone other than one of the best CFB teams of all time, he would probably be 2-0 in national title games as well.
So lets pump the breaks on saying that Saban is better than spurrier.
Add in all of this, that he just went to South Carolina, a program that has been a perennial bottom feeder, and has gone 77-39, with 3 straight 11 win seasons, and I'm sorry, but I gotta give the nod to Spurrier here.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:34 pm to BrerTiger
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Let's review the stats:
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I'll give Bama a mulligan for 2007.
How freaking convenient. I know I just read something on this site about misleading titles on threads etc etc...why didn't you just label this " I think Saban is better than Spurrier " and be done with it?
Your "reluctant conclusion" is stuck somewhere in your lower body cavity. You are right....1990s sucked because the east was dominant...laughable.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:36 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Both were impressive runs.
Fo shizzle.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:41 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Spurrier was a better coach.
Saban was-is a better recruiter.
Bama pays players more.
Never yield, shithead. Never yield.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:48 pm to slayerxing
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Steve Spurrier came into Florida, a place that had never won ANYTHING of note EVER
This is a legit point.
But you have to admit Florida was a sleeping giant. So much talent in such a large state.
I'm a big fan of Spurrier now. I hated him in the 90s but it was because he was raping my team and I was too immature to appreciate his sense of humor and demeanor. And without a doubt he has been the best coach two schools have ever known and it isn't even close.
I just think the SEC is clearly better now. Better than it has ever been in the post segregation era. In that light, I think Bama is better now than Florida was then. Barely better, but better.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:50 pm to BrerTiger
Solid thread. Interesting how Spurrier's run was all about the conference titles, and Saban's is all about the national championships.
I don't know if I'll ever like Spurrier, but I can respect what he accomplished.
I don't know if I'll ever like Spurrier, but I can respect what he accomplished.
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