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re: Spread Offense vs. Pro Style Offense
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:37 pm to AUX3
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:37 pm to AUX3
A lot of folks don't understand the concepts at all. I'm no X's and O's guru, but what ate Bama's lunch as much as anything was tempo, not scheme. You can run a hurry up, no huddle attack using a Pro-style, West Coast offense--A&M did for the preceding four years under Mike Sherman. Heck, we might even have run the offense faster under Sherman than we have so far under Sumlin. So, whehter you're using a West Coast offense and power blocking schemes, or a spread attack with more zone blocking schemes, the pace really takes away Saban's personnel advantage, and is a great equalizer.
A&M is running Mike Leach and Hal Mumme's old Air Raid, only, as someone else pointed out, they're doing it with future NFL guys on the OL, and with a QB who is a rushing threat, a combination I don't think you've ever seen with this offense. Kingsbury really just started figuring out how to use all the weapons properly with the Auburn game. It's not a sophisticated offense--they don't even have a playbook. They just depend on out executing the other team, and outlasting them. If Sumlin can recruit NFL prospects on the oline and defense (and I see no reason why he can't), I think A&M will have plenty of success running this scheme. The main differnce will be that we won't turn out a QB who is quite so ready to run an NFL West Coast offense as Ryan Tannehill has been.
Bama counts on having the numbers to have fresh kids, that are more talented than the guys they are going against, line up against a fatigued opponent. Not much strategy or intellect involved with that.
A&M is running Mike Leach and Hal Mumme's old Air Raid, only, as someone else pointed out, they're doing it with future NFL guys on the OL, and with a QB who is a rushing threat, a combination I don't think you've ever seen with this offense. Kingsbury really just started figuring out how to use all the weapons properly with the Auburn game. It's not a sophisticated offense--they don't even have a playbook. They just depend on out executing the other team, and outlasting them. If Sumlin can recruit NFL prospects on the oline and defense (and I see no reason why he can't), I think A&M will have plenty of success running this scheme. The main differnce will be that we won't turn out a QB who is quite so ready to run an NFL West Coast offense as Ryan Tannehill has been.
Bama counts on having the numbers to have fresh kids, that are more talented than the guys they are going against, line up against a fatigued opponent. Not much strategy or intellect involved with that.
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Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:40 pm to AUX3
Out of the top 10 teams in the current BCS standings, seven of those teams have pro-style offenses. Last year, seven out of the top 10 teams in the final AP poll ran pro-style offenses. A pro-style offense is still the most effective style for team success.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:41 pm to Bench McElroy
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Out of the top 10 teams in the current BCS standings, seven of those teams have pro-style offenses. Last year, seven out of the top 10 teams in the final AP poll ran pro-style offenses. A pro-style offense is still the most effective style for team success.
You and I both know that South Carolina and Florida just aren't that good. Not top-10 material for sure.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:32 pm to bmy
Great discussion-
As AU fan - I want the Hurry Up spread back. I don't want ground and pound. Its not even close. Also, if A/M would have run a slow pro style offense last week - with the same players - they would have gotten beat by 30. I do agree - though when its 4th and 1 - you have to be able to line up under center and smash mouth it. Not sure why thats hard to figure out - but none of them do it.
As AU fan - I want the Hurry Up spread back. I don't want ground and pound. Its not even close. Also, if A/M would have run a slow pro style offense last week - with the same players - they would have gotten beat by 30. I do agree - though when its 4th and 1 - you have to be able to line up under center and smash mouth it. Not sure why thats hard to figure out - but none of them do it.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 5:17 pm to AUX3
I agree with others who have said that A&M's success with it in the SEC is due to a couple of things.
-Good QB who can run the ball or throw it (a Texas Tech offense with a statue QB would get killed IMO).
-Good Offensive line.
-Speed athletes at all skill positions on offense.
You look at the times that the spread has worked in the SEC, it's with Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, & Johnny Football this year. They all have the 3 things mentioned above.
Everyone wants to say that a Pro-Style is easier to sustain success with but I dont necessarily agree. With a pro-style, you still have to have the athletes in order to line up and pound the defensive elite in the SEC and the overwhelming majority of teams cant recruit at the level to do that.
Bottomline- you have to have great talent on offense to try and beat some of these great defenses. The real advantage A&M has right now is that our spread is harder to prepare for, on one week of practice time, because it's unique to the conference. In other words, Bama had to go from game planning against LSU's offense one week to game planning for A&M the next...that's tough to do and gives us an edge because the schemes from one week to the next dont really transition.
-Good QB who can run the ball or throw it (a Texas Tech offense with a statue QB would get killed IMO).
-Good Offensive line.
-Speed athletes at all skill positions on offense.
You look at the times that the spread has worked in the SEC, it's with Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, & Johnny Football this year. They all have the 3 things mentioned above.
Everyone wants to say that a Pro-Style is easier to sustain success with but I dont necessarily agree. With a pro-style, you still have to have the athletes in order to line up and pound the defensive elite in the SEC and the overwhelming majority of teams cant recruit at the level to do that.
Bottomline- you have to have great talent on offense to try and beat some of these great defenses. The real advantage A&M has right now is that our spread is harder to prepare for, on one week of practice time, because it's unique to the conference. In other words, Bama had to go from game planning against LSU's offense one week to game planning for A&M the next...that's tough to do and gives us an edge because the schemes from one week to the next dont really transition.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 5:19 pm to stir8ag
Also- I think the more success we have (particularly on offense) the better we're going to be able to recruit talent to play in the system.
the theory that Oline guys may not want to play in this offense doesnt seem very valid. If I'm Sumlin, I'd point to our two first round tackles as examples of how you WILL get NFL exposure if you're a good player, regardless of the scheme.
the theory that Oline guys may not want to play in this offense doesnt seem very valid. If I'm Sumlin, I'd point to our two first round tackles as examples of how you WILL get NFL exposure if you're a good player, regardless of the scheme.
This post was edited on 11/16/12 at 5:20 pm
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