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re: Spread Offense vs. Pro Style Offense
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:56 am to RT58
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:56 am to RT58
I don't care for the spread if for no other reason,Florida and A&M both kicked our arse,lol. Seriously though,it requires a great athlete at QB,IMO. See Tebow,Johnny. We never recruit that type of QB. I prefer the ole pound it out with the occasional 5 wideout
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Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:02 am to remaster916
really? giving up 20 points in one quarter is why you lost? huh...
Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:14 am to WestCoastAg
You don't think falling behind 3 td in a game will get you beat? What quarter it is has nothing to do with it. We did not defend period,and the spread has always given us issues. A&M was ready,we weren't. It's that simple
Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:37 am to AUX3
Pro Style > Spread
And it's not even fricking close.
Look at the most consistent LONG TERM teams.
Teams like UGA, Texas and LSU (although a little too pass happy) are the most consistent teams in CFB. Why? Because they run a more pro-style offense.
Teams like Florida, Auburn and Oregon run the spread successfully for a few years until the defense figures it out and dominates them. Why do you think Urban retired? Health reasons?
The spread is garbage if you want to consistently be successful. If you want to jump from team to team and be smoke and mirrors, it could work as well. As soon as the Pac-12 teams figure that shite out that Oregon does, it will be a wrap. As for OSU? shite... Urban will be retiring again in no time.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:15 am to 20ozBulldog
That's exactly what my dad told me last night. No long-term dominant team did it with a spread. Spread teams only last as long as their special QB or until the new wears off.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:16 am to 20ozBulldog
You only have so many scholarships and spread teams stack the offensive side with the best ones. Doesn't matter if it's Oregon, Okie State, TTU, Baylor, Houston or TAMU, it just works out that way.
It was said before in the thread, less talented teams use the spread to be competitive with more talented teams. But generally when a strong pro-style teams engages for sustained drives that advantage evaporates in the second half with a worn out inferior defense.
TAMU caught Alabama at a good time. They were worn out physically and emotionally from the game with LSU and didn't play well. Not to take anything away from A&M, those wins of Arky, Ole Miss, Miss. St., and Auburn were nice but all were flawed teams.
Sumlin will recruit well but the cupboard he inherited was not exactly bare. TAMU will continue to improve but defensive coordinators will also. We'll see.
It was said before in the thread, less talented teams use the spread to be competitive with more talented teams. But generally when a strong pro-style teams engages for sustained drives that advantage evaporates in the second half with a worn out inferior defense.
TAMU caught Alabama at a good time. They were worn out physically and emotionally from the game with LSU and didn't play well. Not to take anything away from A&M, those wins of Arky, Ole Miss, Miss. St., and Auburn were nice but all were flawed teams.
Sumlin will recruit well but the cupboard he inherited was not exactly bare. TAMU will continue to improve but defensive coordinators will also. We'll see.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:23 am to Mr. Elvert
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I wouldn't consider what LSU does to be pro style/west coast. I'd probably call it The Pangea.
hey man, haven't you heard? we're legit all world now.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:43 am to AUX3
I've watched several QB's run the spread being a Mizzou fan and have seen two different OC's versions. I have to say, with the right players, the spread can be fun to watch. It's a quik strike style offense. But you can also play ball control and run with the offense also. It all hinges on the QB play. You have to have a true dual threat QB to make it work. The big downside to the spread is the defense being on the field more. You better have good depth on defense.
Conventional offense is more balanced. Between the run and pass and is more of a ball control offense but still can have quick strike capability depending where you are on the field. It also allows the defense a chance to catch it's breath, allowing a team to not be required to have as much depth on the defensive side of the ball.
I think it's easier to contain a conventional offense compaired to a spread just for the ball control run first pass second mantality. But there is always exceptions to the rule. I think a true spread offense is a more potent offense with the correct players in place being they are looking to hit paydirt from the first snap of the ball no matter the field position.
Either way, to me, it does'nt matter. Both are effective ways to score points but just different theories on how to do it. It think the spread has the bigger downside with the defense being left on the field alot. This becomes magnified if you run into a well balanced attack.
Conventional offense is more balanced. Between the run and pass and is more of a ball control offense but still can have quick strike capability depending where you are on the field. It also allows the defense a chance to catch it's breath, allowing a team to not be required to have as much depth on the defensive side of the ball.
I think it's easier to contain a conventional offense compaired to a spread just for the ball control run first pass second mantality. But there is always exceptions to the rule. I think a true spread offense is a more potent offense with the correct players in place being they are looking to hit paydirt from the first snap of the ball no matter the field position.
Either way, to me, it does'nt matter. Both are effective ways to score points but just different theories on how to do it. It think the spread has the bigger downside with the defense being left on the field alot. This becomes magnified if you run into a well balanced attack.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:45 am to AUX3
Spread offenses depend on very smart and disciplined players as to how successful they will be. aTm's admission standards, if I am correct, are higher than most SEC schools. GaTech made it work because they are Tech. That being said, the Aggies offense can't be copied at most other schools here
And an up tempo spread can't be run by the level of thug that AU generally recruits
And an up tempo spread can't be run by the level of thug that AU generally recruits
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 7:27 am
Posted on 11/15/12 at 7:59 am to AUX3
If one of the plethora of SEC teams that could be looking for a new coach doesn't hire Sonny Dykes you all deserve what you get.
I hope no one else goes to the spread, hurry-up, or whatever you want to call it because it would be good for us.
I hope no one else goes to the spread, hurry-up, or whatever you want to call it because it would be good for us.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:18 am to AUX3
It has been garbage for us in the redzone the last few weeks. Cost us the vandy game...
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:30 am to agswin
1st post. I like football.
The spread IMO is inherently inferior because there are more opportunities for the ball to be turned over and there is more pressure put on one person in the offense... the qb. If that one person doesn't perform at a high level, the offense is doomed. Of course, if he does, the offense is nearly unstoppable with the right personnel.
What we're seeing with A&M is something we haven't seen with Oregon - that offense run with NFL caliber players at the line of scrimmage. The knock with running the spread is that you can't recruit big, powerful O-linemen or running backs with it. They would rather play for a pro-style team. Just so happens that Sumlin inherited a team with pro style players on the line of scrimmage.
A&M's future, long-term success will be determined by whether or not they can continue to convince 1st round offensive linemen and high caliber defensive players to play in his system.
The spread IMO is inherently inferior because there are more opportunities for the ball to be turned over and there is more pressure put on one person in the offense... the qb. If that one person doesn't perform at a high level, the offense is doomed. Of course, if he does, the offense is nearly unstoppable with the right personnel.
What we're seeing with A&M is something we haven't seen with Oregon - that offense run with NFL caliber players at the line of scrimmage. The knock with running the spread is that you can't recruit big, powerful O-linemen or running backs with it. They would rather play for a pro-style team. Just so happens that Sumlin inherited a team with pro style players on the line of scrimmage.
A&M's future, long-term success will be determined by whether or not they can continue to convince 1st round offensive linemen and high caliber defensive players to play in his system.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:30 am to RT58
A&M had more running plays and rushing yards than Alabama. A&M also still leads the SEC in rushing. Spread offense does not actually mean you pass the ball 90% of the time. Not even close. Oregon also runs more than they pass.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:33 am to aggiegreen
Wake up. The best NFL teams have been running the spread for years. Watch new Orleans, Green Bay, New England and Denver.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:37 am to AUX3
The hurry up is definitely effective but I'm not really a fan. I felt this way even before A&M ate Bama's lunch. 
It's just a matter of preference but I'd rather watch an old school battle of wits between coordinators than to watch an offense try to run plays too fast for the defense to make adjustments or substitute.
I saw yesterday where A&M fans were calling out LSU for faking injuries in order to stop the clock. Personally, I don't see the problem with that. Both teams were manipulating the clock to their own benefit.
It's just a matter of preference but I'd rather watch an old school battle of wits between coordinators than to watch an offense try to run plays too fast for the defense to make adjustments or substitute.
I saw yesterday where A&M fans were calling out LSU for faking injuries in order to stop the clock. Personally, I don't see the problem with that. Both teams were manipulating the clock to their own benefit.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:39 am to aggiegreen
JFF accounts for a lot of those rushing yards. And, again, A&M has an outstanding O-line.
However, when you spread the defense out you are forcing them to defend the pass. If JFF sucked as a passer, you wouldn't see the running game nearly as successful.
Just like everytime Oregon has played an SEC team. The SEC team has been able to stop the run with 4 down linemen. You can't do that against A&M because their O-line and RB's are legit.
A&M's offense this year is better than Oregon's has been in recent years I honestly believe. Same style of offense but better personnel and a special quarterback.
However, when you spread the defense out you are forcing them to defend the pass. If JFF sucked as a passer, you wouldn't see the running game nearly as successful.
Just like everytime Oregon has played an SEC team. The SEC team has been able to stop the run with 4 down linemen. You can't do that against A&M because their O-line and RB's are legit.
A&M's offense this year is better than Oregon's has been in recent years I honestly believe. Same style of offense but better personnel and a special quarterback.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:57 am to RT58
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I wouldn't consider what LSU does to be pro style/west coast. I'd probably call it The Pangea.
The Pangea sure kicked JFF and your Aggie arse in front of all of your mommies and daddies and the sweet aggies girls.
JFF will get crushed in Tiger Stadium next year.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 8:58 am to AUX3
Air Coryell
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:02 pm to RT58
A&M had more running plays and rushing yards than Alabama. A&M also still leads the SEC in rushing. Spread offense does not actually mean you pass the ball 90% of the time. Not even close. Oregon also runs more than they pass.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:26 pm to DaBama
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DaBama
I know alot of SEC teams are not big fans of the spread, but just for one series or two, I'd love to see Sabans version of a spread offense. I think Bamas O-line and Lacy would shine because of their talent.
Plus, one thing that a spread does is put the defensive players in one on one matchups. Lacy running the ball in the spread would be devastating to a defense. The kid runs through arm tackles like they are'nt there. Hell he runs through tacklers like they are'nt there sometimes. I think he'd have a big day in a spread offense.
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