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Spinoff: Was Gary Pinkel forced out at Mizzou?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:35 pm
This is a Columbia Tribune article covering what another thread was talking about with a state rep filing a complaint on Pinkel. LINK
Ever since Pinkel retired, there has been speculation about whether he was forced out. Some of the quotes in that article from our Interim Chancellor Hank Foley seem to give credence to that speculation. Some highlights:
The journalist who wrote this is Rudi Keller of the tribune, and his twitter timeline regarding the entire situation is pretty interesting. LINK
Ever since Pinkel retired, there has been speculation about whether he was forced out. Some of the quotes in that article from our Interim Chancellor Hank Foley seem to give credence to that speculation. Some highlights:
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Foley defended the package that will pay Pinkel $950,000 over three years but left the impression it was a buyout for Pinkel to step aside...“In a sense you could argue that he was kind of bought out of his contract for what is comparatively much, much less than he could have had if he had just stayed in the job,” Foley said.
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Under questioning from Chairman David Wood, R-Versailles, Foley said no team will be allowed to repeat the boycott threat.
“I feel very confident that the situation that developed last fall won’t happen again, and if it does there will be a very different response,” Foley said.
Asked afterward what that meant, Foley said a clear warning was given to the athletes. “I wouldn’t want to go into specifics of hypothetically what we might do or not do. But it just can’t happen again the way it happened.”
The journalist who wrote this is Rudi Keller of the tribune, and his twitter timeline regarding the entire situation is pretty interesting. LINK
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:36 pm to KCM0Tiger
well he has non-Hodgkin's lymphoma so...
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:40 pm to Dr RC
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well he has non-Hodgkin's lymphoma so...
Yes, and everyone is aware of that. He was originally planning on coaching through it as long as he still felt ok. It's simply speculation, and I don't claim to know what truly happened. Maybe he no longer felt well enough to coach, or maybe he was offered a golden parachute to resign, or maybe it was a little of both.
Nobody knows except for Pinkel and upper administration, I just found the Chancellor's comments interesting about being "bought out" of his contract.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:46 pm to KCM0Tiger
Lymphoma, racial protests, his team staging a fake boycott, and being offered decent money to leave. Who wouldn't take that?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:47 pm to KCM0Tiger
I think Pinkel and the rest of the administration realized that once he gave in to threats of his team, he no longer had any control and like would never get it back. So, it was time to go.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:54 pm to KCM0Tiger
He deserved to be. Just a complete clusterfrick.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:02 pm to KCM0Tiger
Who cares, he sucks anyway
When are you hiring a new head coach?
When are you hiring a new head coach?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:17 pm to Swoopin
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He deserved to be. Just a complete clusterfrick.
OK, let me play devil's advocate. If they kick all of those players off the team how many black players are on Missouri's team this year and in the future? Pinkel's hands were tied. Especially if the cancer really was leading to a retirement, does he really want to be the guy who destroyed the program?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:23 pm to Chase Daniel
He's not a rational person. Ignore him.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:27 pm to Chase Daniel
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Pinkel's hands were tied.
Agreed.
My personal belief is he wasn't forced out, he walked away to avoid the fallout (which might have involved him being forced out).
If he stays out of coaching that is the only real clue we will get.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:49 pm to Chase Daniel
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OK, let me play devil's advocate. If they kick all of those players off the team how many black players are on Missouri's team this year and in the future? Pinkel's hands were tied. Especially if the cancer really was leading to a retirement, does he really want to be the guy who destroyed the program?
He had two responsible choices.
1) Kick them off, which has all the drawbacks you highlighted. Maybe give them some other version of tough love.
2) Play the game with what few players he had left, explaining to his kids he wants them to do what they gotta do but that he will be fielding a football team.
He went completely the wrong direction, took a picture in solidarity and basically punched the ticket on his boss' boss' career at Mizzou.
Whatever you think, he is red-handed guilty of insubordination.
ETA: I don't envy his position at all. I just believe he consciously chose the worst of his shitty options, at least from an employment perspective.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:50 pm to the808bass
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He's not a rational person. Ignore him.
And what are you basing that on, exactly? Because I don't believe we've ever crossed paths on here and don't believe I've ever given anyone that impression.
Or must I be irrational just because I don't agree with you? Maybe that view of things in itself makes you the irrational one.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:58 pm to KCM0Tiger
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“I feel very confident that the situation that developed last fall won’t happen again, and if it does there will be a very different response,” Foley said
frankly, every school (adm and coaches) need to have a "plan" for dealing with athletes that threaten the school like that. the plan should be fair but clear and tough. the athletes grievances should be investigated w/o bias and addressed BUT imo, any athlete that can't wait for the results of the investigation and goes on strike is OUT. no more schollie. they need to be fair to the university too.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:06 pm to KCM0Tiger
No, he wasn't fired and no, he did not plan to coach through the cancer. He made the decision to step down months before any of this shite occured.
Stop dredging this shite up.
Stop dredging this shite up.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:09 pm to Swoopin
quote:I agree with every bit of your irrational arse Swoop.
He had two responsible choices.
1) Kick them off, which has all the drawbacks you highlighted. Maybe give them some other version of tough love.
2) Play the game with what few players he had left, explaining to his kids he wants them to do what they gotta do but that he will be fielding a football team.
He went completely the wrong direction, took a picture in solidarity and basically punched the ticket on his boss' boss' career at Mizzou.
Whatever you think, he is red-handed guilty of insubordination.
ETA: I don't envy his position at all. I just believe he consciously chose the worst of his shitty options, at least from an employment perspective.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:11 pm to KCM0Tiger
I believe he was after siding with the BLM idiots.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:13 pm to AlabamaAlum07
You can believe whatever you want, but he wasn't.
Also, he didn't side with them. He simply made WHAT HE THOUGHT was the best decision for damage control for his FB program. That's it. Nothing more.
Also, he didn't side with them. He simply made WHAT HE THOUGHT was the best decision for damage control for his FB program. That's it. Nothing more.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:14 pm to Swoopin
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And what are you basing that on, exactly? Because I don't believe we've ever crossed paths on here and don't believe I've ever given anyone that impression.
I don't believe he intended to refer to you, but to a different poster in this thread who is irrationa beyond belief. I've always found you to be rational.
I think Pinkel didn't have a good move to make, and chose to take the route hat kept his team unified. Hindsight is 20-20, and he was presented with the protest after this group of players already made their decision. It sucked for him all around.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:14 pm to KCM0Tiger
It's pretty obvious that he either quit because of what happened or was forced out for the same reason. The cancer was just a convenient excuse. He wasn't planning on leaving the team midway through the season.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:14 pm to KCM0Tiger
It is really hard to say. On one hand, yes, you can see where what happened with the BLM protesters gave the administration grounds to can him, especially after a rare sub-par season.
On the other hand... Its Gary Pinkel. If there is a Mt. Rushmore of Mizzou football coaches he's right up there. You shite can him and who is to say the next half dozen coaches won't suck the meat missile?
My opinion, which means nothing I know, is that his health problems and his age tilted him to stepping down after a bad season.
If Mizzou had won 9-10 games and competed for (or won) the East then I think he'd still be the coach. That having been said he's well off, he's at a good age to retire, and being able to devote all his time to recovering from a major illness sounds like a really good idea.
On the other hand... Its Gary Pinkel. If there is a Mt. Rushmore of Mizzou football coaches he's right up there. You shite can him and who is to say the next half dozen coaches won't suck the meat missile?
My opinion, which means nothing I know, is that his health problems and his age tilted him to stepping down after a bad season.
If Mizzou had won 9-10 games and competed for (or won) the East then I think he'd still be the coach. That having been said he's well off, he's at a good age to retire, and being able to devote all his time to recovering from a major illness sounds like a really good idea.
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