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Spinoff realignment thread : poaching the ACC is not the option
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:28 pm
Many barbarian raids through history were folks from colder climates trying to claim warmer climates for their own. Now that it is the offseason and media outlets need hits it will be all kinds of realignment talk for the next month. It is fun and we all like to get our thoughts in but here are some points to ponder.
#1 Most realignment gets started by the B1G because they don't have the power they did 50 years ago so they have to go raid where the power moved to.
In the 90's realignment got going when the B1G went after Notre Dame and wound up with Penn State. They stayed at 11 for years thinking 12 would be the Irish but the Irish don't want to be B1G. I can respect the Irish for this and laugh at the B1G for being so stupid for so long considering how often their fans tell me how dumb SEC folks are. Sure the SEC added Arkansas and South Carolina but it was after the B1G made the first move.
In 2010 it was the B1G, not the ACC or SEC, who raided the B12 for Nebraska. Sure the SEC got Texas A&M and Missouri a few years later, but like the 90's, they were just responding when pushed. Just like the 90's, when the dust settled the SEC got the better deals and the B1G just got bigger.
#2 The SEC is the big army with the best terrain to defend so be alert when folks come here from another conference with what we should do based on what helps their position.
If your enemy is more powerful the weaker force will set fires along the front at night then attack with forces from the rear. The SEC is the powerful force now so stay alert to enemies trying to confuse you. The formation of the B12 created probably the 2nd most powerful conference in the country. If they had worked together against all outsiders as a cohesive combined force they probably would have still been a force in college sports. Instead they let the B1G pick them off and then the PAC so that now they fight to stay out of last place. Just like Rome, they crumbled from within before falling to the outside.
When B1G and B12 folks start using the new folks from Mizzou and TAMU to fan the realignment threads don't forget to look for the real attack coming from behind you. Just because they want us to fall like they have does not mean we should play that game. If the B1G was so good or the B12 was so strong, why would they need to come here in the first place?
#3 The ACC + SEC is the wall keeping the raiders out. Protecting this should be the battle cry, not cracking it for the other conferences to come in and raid.
SEC at 14 and supporting the ACC is better for the SEC than raiding 2 ACC teams and allowing the B1G and B12 a chance to come in after. Say the SEC adds VPI and NC State, then the B1G takes UNC and UVA, followed by the B12 rising from the ashes to claim Free Shoes and the Taters. Are UGA fans happier to see GT in the ACC or would they like to see GT in the B1G? Same with Gator and Cock fans. The ACC is not my favorite conference but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Better to have the ACC in my camp than to have them in the B1G or B12 camp fighting me.
If Sankey says the SEC is going to 16, then so be it. Until then 14 is fine and I will pay little heed to B1G or B12 fans starting brush fires to try and distract me.
#1 Most realignment gets started by the B1G because they don't have the power they did 50 years ago so they have to go raid where the power moved to.
In the 90's realignment got going when the B1G went after Notre Dame and wound up with Penn State. They stayed at 11 for years thinking 12 would be the Irish but the Irish don't want to be B1G. I can respect the Irish for this and laugh at the B1G for being so stupid for so long considering how often their fans tell me how dumb SEC folks are. Sure the SEC added Arkansas and South Carolina but it was after the B1G made the first move.
In 2010 it was the B1G, not the ACC or SEC, who raided the B12 for Nebraska. Sure the SEC got Texas A&M and Missouri a few years later, but like the 90's, they were just responding when pushed. Just like the 90's, when the dust settled the SEC got the better deals and the B1G just got bigger.
#2 The SEC is the big army with the best terrain to defend so be alert when folks come here from another conference with what we should do based on what helps their position.
If your enemy is more powerful the weaker force will set fires along the front at night then attack with forces from the rear. The SEC is the powerful force now so stay alert to enemies trying to confuse you. The formation of the B12 created probably the 2nd most powerful conference in the country. If they had worked together against all outsiders as a cohesive combined force they probably would have still been a force in college sports. Instead they let the B1G pick them off and then the PAC so that now they fight to stay out of last place. Just like Rome, they crumbled from within before falling to the outside.
When B1G and B12 folks start using the new folks from Mizzou and TAMU to fan the realignment threads don't forget to look for the real attack coming from behind you. Just because they want us to fall like they have does not mean we should play that game. If the B1G was so good or the B12 was so strong, why would they need to come here in the first place?
#3 The ACC + SEC is the wall keeping the raiders out. Protecting this should be the battle cry, not cracking it for the other conferences to come in and raid.
SEC at 14 and supporting the ACC is better for the SEC than raiding 2 ACC teams and allowing the B1G and B12 a chance to come in after. Say the SEC adds VPI and NC State, then the B1G takes UNC and UVA, followed by the B12 rising from the ashes to claim Free Shoes and the Taters. Are UGA fans happier to see GT in the ACC or would they like to see GT in the B1G? Same with Gator and Cock fans. The ACC is not my favorite conference but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Better to have the ACC in my camp than to have them in the B1G or B12 camp fighting me.
If Sankey says the SEC is going to 16, then so be it. Until then 14 is fine and I will pay little heed to B1G or B12 fans starting brush fires to try and distract me.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:31 pm to Cheese Grits
I'd rather have more punching bags than punchers. Bring on the Kansas schools or Northwestern and S. Mississippi
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:33 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:34 pm to Cheese Grits
West Virginia 
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:41 pm to Cheese Grits
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Just like the 90's, when the dust settled the SEC got the better deals and the B1G just got bigger.
The Big 10 will be making over $40 million per team in ten years and after the new tier 1 deal. They will make the most money for the foreseeable future and found a way to put their best teams near big important East Coast cities. I think they did well in realignment.
If their money destabilizes the ACC in ten years the SEC needs to be ready like last time.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:41 pm to Cheese Grits
You could have just typed that the ACC teams are locked into contract for 10 years, and won't be leaving the conference. Wasted your time.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:52 pm to Cheese Grits
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Say the SEC adds VPI and NC State,
Tangent here. Honest question: who still refers to Tech as 'VPI' and why do they stick with it? Is it just older people who remember them as Polytech or is there some particular reason some people go with that nomenclature? Just to be a bit more formal, maybe?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:58 pm to randomways
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Honest question: who still refers to Tech as 'VPI' and why do they stick with it?
Folks who attended VPI are generally not fond of being referred to Va Tech as it makes it sound more like La Tech or some directional school. It is mostly a courtesy thing to alumni saying you respect them and what they have accomplished.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:59 pm to Cheese Grits
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Folks who attended VPI are generally not fond of being referred to Va Tech as it makes it sound more like La Tech or some directional school. It is mostly a courtesy thing to alumni saying you respect them and what they have accomplished.
Okay, gotcha. I haven't met many people who attended, so I didn't know that. Though they do share a conference with Georgia Tech, whose graduated don't mind, so it's a bit odd. Guess it's a holdover from before they joined the ACC.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:01 pm to randomways
Petition to begin referring to Auburn as API again.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:02 pm to Cheese Grits
Damn, to me (since I wasn't an adult when Georgia Tech was special) the most famous "Tech" school nationally is VPI. Aggies bitch about that beveled logo on ESPN but VPI fans watch games with a whole nomenclature they dislike. That sucks.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:03 pm to Cheese Grits
Going back to 12 would be way better than expanding more. 14 is already too many.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:03 pm to Cheese Grits
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Folks who attended VPI are generally not fond of being referred to Va Tech as it makes it sound more like La Tech or some directional school. It is mostly a courtesy thing to alumni saying you respect them and what they have accomplished.
Then why does a certain fanbase get all pissy when you call them by the true name, API?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:04 pm to randomways
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Guess it's a holdover from before they joined the ACC.
Part of it, and part is CoC history VPI has that GT does not. GT is more ROTC.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:06 pm to BowlJackson
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Going back to 12 would be way better than expanding more. 14 is already too many.
Maybe a court ruling in the next ten years will convince some ACC or SEC teams to call it quits. Who knows?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:20 pm to Cheese Grits
You aren't going to be able to poach anything away from the B1G. B1G schools get billions of dollars in federal dollars for research because of all of the memberships they have and partnerships between universities.
For athletics, the B1G is still richest conference and will get even richer once the new TV deal is done in 2016/17 (not sure on the exact date at the moment).
The B1G is working to expand to a national conference - coast to coast.
John Hopkins has already joined the B1G. Boston is joining. ASU hockey is joining. Colorado State is joining (creating hockey).
The B1G will continue to grab some schools from the west/southwest. The B1G would love to have an "umbrella" surrounding the SEC states.
For athletics, the B1G is still richest conference and will get even richer once the new TV deal is done in 2016/17 (not sure on the exact date at the moment).
The B1G is working to expand to a national conference - coast to coast.
John Hopkins has already joined the B1G. Boston is joining. ASU hockey is joining. Colorado State is joining (creating hockey).
The B1G will continue to grab some schools from the west/southwest. The B1G would love to have an "umbrella" surrounding the SEC states.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:15 pm to Cheese Grits
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#3 The ACC + SEC is the wall keeping the raiders out. Protecting this should be the battle cry, not cracking it for the other conferences to come in and raid.
SEC at 14 and supporting the ACC is better for the SEC than raiding 2 ACC teams and allowing the B1G and B12 a chance to come in after. Say the SEC adds VPI and NC State, then the B1G takes UNC and UVA, followed by the B12 rising from the ashes to claim Free Shoes and the Taters. Are UGA fans happier to see GT in the ACC or would they like to see GT in the B1G? Same with Gator and Cock fans. The ACC is not my favorite conference but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Better to have the ACC in my camp than to have them in the B1G or B12 camp fighting me.
If Sankey says the SEC is going to 16, then so be it. Until then 14 is fine and I will pay little heed to B1G or B12 fans starting brush fires to try and distract me.
If the B1G and SEC crack the ACC, I think ESPN would give the ACC the same deal they gave the B12: "Stay at 10 (plus partial Notre Dame), and we'll keep your total payout the same." ESPN does this because they control ALL of the ACC content, whereas they'd have to share w/ Fox if the B12 absorbs FSU and co. Maybe ESPN even gives them the conference network they've been pining for.
I even think Notre Dame would consider full ACC membership if it was absolutely necessary. Because if the ACC falls, they are faced w/ joining the B1G (who they obviously hate, for some reason), the SEC (probably a non-starter), or the Franken121416whatever.
I think the biggest actual threat is if the B12 folds, and the ACC takes 6 refugees to form a 20 team league (plus partial Notre Dame). If the ACC takes UTx/TTech/OU/OSU/KU/WVU, they can split the first five of those teams as one geographically contiguous pod. Then West Virginia easily slots into a pod of other Northeast ACC schools (where they always wanted to be in the first place).
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:20 pm to cardboardboxer
Henceforth, anybody who uses the word nomenclature in this thread is a massive douche nozzle.
Kewl, you know a big word. So do most college grads.
Kewl, you know a big word. So do most college grads.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:24 pm to DirtyDawg
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Henceforth, anybody who uses the word nomenclature in this thread is a massive douche nozzle.
Asian-American, please.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:27 pm to DirtyDawg
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Henceforth, anybody who uses the word nomenclature in this thread is a massive douche nozzle.
Kewl, you know a big word. So do most college grads.
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