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re: Source says Ole Miss tape has NOTHING on other schools....
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:00 am to Whereisomaha
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:00 am to Whereisomaha
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I believe it because of Athletic Department flat out said it in their response to the NCAA.
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You basically have decided that everything elite dawgs says is rihjt. The fact you say all that stupid stuff and the fact you lump Yancy and Neal together shows your bias and shows where you get your information and shows you don't care what makes logical sense but what makes you feel better.
I have an OM Spirit account, not an ED account, so I'm sure of my info and my logic.
Have fun tilting at those windmills, though.
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:01 am to bamasgot13
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The two outliers are the year you guys raised everyone's eyebrows out of nowhere, and the last year you could recruit before new of how bad it was came out and you knew trouble was coming (and lied to recruits, media, and fans about what was coming).
So one of the outliers we had the brother of the best player in the country, a five star safety 20 miles away, the top juco prospect 40 miles away who we placed there after he committed out of HS to us as a two star, and the best friend of the #1 WR on the team.
You can't say that it got harder to cheat and recruit elite once the NCAA got on campus when the second outlier was with them on campus and the best class in school history. We may have lied to recruits but you can't say our recruiting wasn't as good in 14 and 15 because of the NCAA being in town and ignore the greatest class we've had in 16. Facts and logic mess up bias theory all the time
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 10:02 am
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:04 am to Vecchio Cane
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I have an OM Spirit account, not an ED account, so I'm sure of my info and my logic.
That's creepy and who needs an ED account to read it? Every time I swat your bias with logic you just put a laughing emoji up with nothing to say. If you think we would put ourself in more trouble just to say something as pointless and in fact pisses off our fan base as "exploratory cooperation" then once again, I prove you don't care about the truth but whatever makes you feel better
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 10:05 am
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:11 am to Whereisomaha
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Logic tells me the the only reason OM would even mention it is if the latter is true
When are you hosting the catfish and hush puppy dinners about the tapes?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:22 am to Whereisomaha
You did not self report a majority of your violations. In fact, all but 3 were uncovered by NCAA enforcement staff in the original NOA, and considering your school is contesting the majority of the amended NOA I think it's safe to say that you didn't report many if any of those either.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:23 am to Whereisomaha
You got caught cheating while the NCAA was arse deep in your school's affairs. The only people who believe you cooperated exemplary are sheep who have believed every other piece of garbage thrown out by your administration. The NCAA has been there for 5 years and keep finding shite.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:27 am to Whereisomaha
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You can't say that it got harder to cheat and recruit elite once the NCAA got on campus
You think it got easier?
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when the second outlier was with them on campus and the best class in school history
You were also able to use the on field success for the first time in a looooooong time as a recruiting point. That on field success doesn't happen without the first outlier. You could sell back-to-back wins over Bama, a Sugar Bowl victory, expectations, and the lie that most of the violations were previous staff and not football related.
All of those factors contributed to your class in '16, but that doesn't mean you didn't ALSO cheat in 2016 (as you did in 2015, as Leo Lewis can attest to).
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We may have lied to recruits but you can't say our recruiting wasn't as good in 14 and 15 because of the NCAA being in town
you mean the time frame when your football staff was introducing boosters to recruits, arranging payments, covering football player family member utility bills, and providing illegal benefits in the form of property use, free meals/lodging, and other gifts?
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Facts and logic mess up bias theory all the time
When did the investigation begin, officially? Link a starting point.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:29 am to Whereisomaha
Probably because recruits figured out that your boosters would pay them before they signed and they could just take your money and go elsewhere.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:41 am to Whereisomaha
How could you guys believe anything reported from the Ole Miss side? Remember when you were told that it had virtually nothing to do with the football program and that it didn't occur under Freeze? You guys are some very gullible individuals to actually keep believing the propaganda reported from your camp. Wake up.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:51 am to Commander Data
So from reading this, Ole Miss is poor now and can't afford to pay for players? I highly doubt that Ole Miss would let MSU outbid them on players. I mean Ole Miss is full of doctors and lawyers and all State has is a bunch of farmers, if you would believe the OM mindset.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:00 am to Whereisomaha
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Which is why I believe the OM reports. You did nothing but hurt yourself if it's not true. No matter how much it is leaked it loses no leverage as long as there is no proof it's true and releasing it would be the proof which I would assume happens once OM is hammered and has nothing to lose. If OM isn't, then it won't be released and there will always be speculation but OM fan won't care because we would have avoided terrible penalties
Certainly, it would be foolish to leak information in this situation that turns out not to be true. Some kind of recording exists. And it may well be as you say.
Does the NCAA really care about the tape insofar as it reflects on the NCAA? If it implicates other schools, they simply widen the investigation. I don't see how the NCAA would care at that point about negative impact on the NCAA. It doesn't reflect badly on the NCAA, just possibly the other schools. The tape, at worst might be a blip of an embarrassment to other schools, but that will be a flash in the pan at worst if there are no further investigations. It may be that the NCAA has already looked into the matter further and chosen not to pursue it. They certainly know about the tape and its alleged contents. The matter may already be dead as far as the NCAA is concerned. Other than an assertion that there were other offers, without corroboration, there isn't anything there yet, and there may not be anything more. If nothing happens in follow up to the tape, the matter dies quickly for everyone but Ole Miss which still has the penalties and their long term impact. It looks like Geraldo in Al Capone's empty vault.
Often people will lie in negotiating by stating they have other offers, that don't actually exist. Happens every day. Regardless, I don't see how the tape gives any leverage. And trying to "blackmail" the NCAA is certain to backfire, if that is the purpose. In any event, the tape will turn out, in all likelihood, to play no role in the penaties handed down, and absent some corroboration, will impact no one else beyond some very brief, soon forgotten notoriety. While Ole Miss may think it gives some leverage, I would think the speculation about this, is just that. Do we have any real indication that the tape is seen by the Ole Miss decision makers as leverage. In reality, there seems to be no really good scenario that would give Ole Miss leverage.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:03 am to NYCAuburn
quote:The crappy are biting in my neck of the woods right now.....What say we gather around at the camp house in Notasulga and cook it up for old times sake?
When are you hosting the catfish and hush puppy dinners about the tapes?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:11 am to tigerinridgeland
quote:Very true! To be honest, I don't understand why the hell the Ole Miss Administration would waste a ounce of time on this Leo Lewis shite, tapes or no tapes? I mean OM publicly admitted that there was sufficient evidence that the NCAA findings were solid and they wouldn't be fighting the charge.
Often people will lie in negotiating by stating they have other offers, that don't actually exist. Happens every day. Regardless, I don't see how the tape gives any leverage. And trying to "blackmail" the NCAA is certain to backfire, if that is the purpose. In any event, the tape will turn out, in all likelihood, to play no role in the penaties handed down, and absent some corroboration, will impact no one else beyond some very brief, soon forgotten notoriety. While Ole Miss may think it gives some leverage, I would think the speculation about this, is just that. Do we have any real indication that the tape is seen by the Ole Miss decision makers as leverage. In reality, there seems to be no really good scenario that would give Ole Miss leverage.
OM needs to focus and concentrate on the over a dozen other Level 1's and see if they can get the LOIC and Failure to Monitor charges eliminated. Those two charges are fricking program killers.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:16 am to RT1941
Question for anyone familiar with COI procedure:
When presenting their case for the LOIC, does the Enforcement Committee throw everything that they have record of against Ole Miss, or do they stick with just the violations that are outlined in the NOA?
When presenting their case for the LOIC, does the Enforcement Committee throw everything that they have record of against Ole Miss, or do they stick with just the violations that are outlined in the NOA?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:39 am to Vecchio Cane
quote:The violations in the NOA are sufficient enough for the LOIC to stick.
Question for anyone familiar with COI procedure:
When presenting their case for the LOIC, does the Enforcement Committee throw everything that they have record of against Ole Miss, or do they stick with just the violations that are outlined in the NOA?
This OM shite goes way back in time and covers a lot of sports programs, coaches, AD's, etc. It's pretty obvious that the "Institution" know as Ole Miss didn't have control of a damn thing. And even after the initial investigation, the OM people in control failed to monitor their own staff (coaches), recruiters (Farrar), and players (Tunsil.)
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:46 am to Whereisomaha
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 1:41 pm to Whereisomaha
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You idiots keep using the same cliques without putting any thought into what you're saying because it fits what you want to believe.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 1:58 pm to Whereisomaha
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Where in the NOA is Freeze meeting a recruit with a booster present.
8.e.
On December 3, 2012, _____attended an in-home recruiting visit by
Harris and Freeze that occurred at _____'s residence. Additionally, Harris
knew that ________was planning to attend the in-home visit and both he
and Freeze interacted with ________during the visit. Further,_______
provided food for this occasion. The value of the food provided
was approximately $60. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.4, 13.1.2.1 and 13.2.1
(2012-13)]
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The booster is a FCA director who hasn't bought season tickets since 2009
But currently had baseball season tickets.
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The same guy drove players to UT and Arkansas.
To what level was he buying them food and gear? Did he have a system of checks and balances. Was he drawing the funds from an FCA account or hsi own pocket?
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He got in trouble for buying Herb an OM sweatshirt because it was 40 degrees
During the 2012-13 academic year, _____purchased clothing and
apparel bearing the institution's name and/or logo for_____ ,____,&_____
and during visits to the institution. The total monetary value of
the inducements , and received was
approximately $510. [
Yep, just $510. All from the FCA fund I'm sure.
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Don't be a dumbass and use common sense.
You have minimized those allegations so much I expect an apology letter from the NCAA.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:01 pm to Cdawg
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Cdawg
Well done. I've given up on WiO. He's a true believer or useful idiot, or whichever term you want to peg on him.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:13 pm to Vecchio Cane
quote:Useful idiot? It's laughable how the OM posters play tag team on this board. A pawn will step up for a day or two and they will work non-stop trying to minimalize and water down the unfortunate circumstances their program is experiencing.
Well done. I've given up on WiO. He's a true believer or useful idiot, or whichever term you want to peg on him.
You notice we haven't seen hide nor hair of last years TampaReb? He lived 24/7 on here working faster than a cat covering up shite in the wake of the Tunsil fiasco. Where the hell has pankreb been now that the amended NOA was made public by OM?
I guess WhereisOmaha had to take Thursday/Friday shift?
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