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re: Source says Ole Miss tape has NOTHING on other schools....
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:08 am to Whereisomaha
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:08 am to Whereisomaha
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:26 am to Whereisomaha
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Just disputing that we aren't the only one where this happens.
This seems to be a lingering thought chain of 0M fans in general. "Everyone else is cheating too!"
There are accepted ways that everyone is and has been living with. 0M from AD down to boosters said "frick it" and went outside the "outside" lines.
And to want to burn everyone else to the ground as your barn is a blaze makes you guys sound like, IMHO, you don really care about what happened and how to fix it. You'd rather just lay on the floor pitching a fit and throwing a tantrum pounding your fists on the floor and screaming like a spoiled brat kid who just got his game system taken away and has to sit in time out while his siblings and friends get to keep playing.
Grow up. And make sure the next coach you hire stays within the accepted lines of "skirting" the rules.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:49 am to SamuelClemens
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There are accepted ways that everyone is and has been living with. 0M from AD down to boosters said "frick it" and went outside the "outside" lines.
15k to the top defensive target in the last three years is "frick it"? For the umpteenth time, why have we lost so many top targets to MSU if we are going 100 when everyone else is going 80? You idiots keep using the same cliques without putting any thought into what you're saying because it fits what you want to believe.
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:59 am to Whereisomaha
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You idiots keep using the same cliques without putting any thought into what you're saying because it fits what you want to believe.
No dumbass, you keep screeching and howling about $15k, and snitching and "everybody else is doing it".
Nobody, NCAA included, freaking cares.
Your Associate AD set up 2 boosters to pay Prospective Student Athlete B just to COMMIT
Your Head Coach participated in recruiting visits with a booster present.
You probably believe that OM demonstrated "exemplary cooperation" throughout the process, don't you?
No, not everybody does that. Dumbass
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:01 am to Whereisomaha
Who has publicly admitted hearing the tape by name? There seems to be "countless" people who have heard it. If so many have heard the tape, and the Ole Miss Athletic Department seems to be sharing it with "countless" persons, why is there so much mystery and controversy? Why so secretive if it isn't really a secret? Just release the dang thing since apparently it really isn't confidential, given the supposed "countless" people who have heard it.
If anyone outside of the Ole Miss Athletic Department/Administrators and the lawyers and SEC/NCAA officials have been given access, there is no real reason to keep it confidential any longer. Is this just another effort to manage the damage and to deflect?And so far not too successfully when you have the press, including Kellenberger, calling out the Athletic Department for being duplicitous regarding earlier damage control.
I agree that the tape is unlikely to lead to trouble for LSU or MSU. If the tape is not the smoking gun, the Athletic Department ought to just say so. They have leaked enough stuff to not be able to credibly say they can't talk about it. However it comes out, there will be people with damaged credibility, and for no good reason.
Frankly, the Ole Miss Athletic Department has mismanaged the damage control throughout. Whether they "misled" or lied to the media, alums, and the public about the extent and seriousness of the charges, they did one or the other intentionally to hide the full truth, which means they were being deliberately unethical. That isn't a good position to be in. Maybe they thought they were protecting their signing class, but the end doesn't justify the means. The recent video wasn't all that helpful either, as most seem to acknowledge.
The better side of me does not wish ill to Ole Miss just because I am an LSU fan. I have lots of Ole Miss friends and colleagues. But I think Ole Miss fans should expect better of the leadership of the university, including not being misled or lied to.
I have no idea about what the ultimate outcome will be. I suspect it will not be a good outcome for Ole Miss, (I.e., more than what Ole Miss has offered). But the PR has been a disaster, and whatever one thinks about the NCAA, Ole Miss's administration has not done a good job of managing the fallout (not that it would be easy to do so in any event).
If anyone outside of the Ole Miss Athletic Department/Administrators and the lawyers and SEC/NCAA officials have been given access, there is no real reason to keep it confidential any longer. Is this just another effort to manage the damage and to deflect?And so far not too successfully when you have the press, including Kellenberger, calling out the Athletic Department for being duplicitous regarding earlier damage control.
I agree that the tape is unlikely to lead to trouble for LSU or MSU. If the tape is not the smoking gun, the Athletic Department ought to just say so. They have leaked enough stuff to not be able to credibly say they can't talk about it. However it comes out, there will be people with damaged credibility, and for no good reason.
Frankly, the Ole Miss Athletic Department has mismanaged the damage control throughout. Whether they "misled" or lied to the media, alums, and the public about the extent and seriousness of the charges, they did one or the other intentionally to hide the full truth, which means they were being deliberately unethical. That isn't a good position to be in. Maybe they thought they were protecting their signing class, but the end doesn't justify the means. The recent video wasn't all that helpful either, as most seem to acknowledge.
The better side of me does not wish ill to Ole Miss just because I am an LSU fan. I have lots of Ole Miss friends and colleagues. But I think Ole Miss fans should expect better of the leadership of the university, including not being misled or lied to.
I have no idea about what the ultimate outcome will be. I suspect it will not be a good outcome for Ole Miss, (I.e., more than what Ole Miss has offered). But the PR has been a disaster, and whatever one thinks about the NCAA, Ole Miss's administration has not done a good job of managing the fallout (not that it would be easy to do so in any event).
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:06 am to Whereisomaha
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15k to the top defensive target in the last three years
You guys keep trying to imply that's all you're guilty of in terms of payments. Only a fool or an Ole Miss fan would believe that. The $15K is just what they've got evidence of.
Without subpoena power, the NCAA relies on people who A) talk, B) are stupid and can't cover their tracks, or C) both. No one who plays for Ole Miss is going to give honest testimony to being paid as a recruit and/or to being paid as a player (they may have it on their instagram page though).
If you think the only cash that changed hands was that $15K you're kidding yourself. And if you think no one who actually committed to or plays for Ole Miss got money then I've got ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:08 am to Vecchio Cane
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Your Associate AD set up 2 boosters to pay Prospective Student Athlete B just to COMMIT Your Head Coach participated in recruiting visits with a booster present. No, not everybody does that. Dumbass
I missed the associate AD part in the NOA. You'll have to clue me in on that. But if it's true, and we are the only ones doing it, why am I the dumbass for believing others do when the kid didn't even end up here. When Chris Jones didn't end up here, Redmond, Gay, Green, Simmons, etc. What's your logical answer to if we are the only ones doing that why aren't me getting more top instate players than MSU?
Where in the NOA is Freeze meeting a recruit with a booster present. That was Maurice Harris. The booster is a FCA director who hasn't bought season tickets since 2009 and we did this all for a 3* in Memphis who we were his best offer. Don't be a dumbass and use common sense. The same guy drove players to UT and Arkansas. He got in trouble for buying Herb an OM sweatshirt because it was 40 degrees but no trouble for buying him an Arkansas one on his visit there because he never had season tickets thwre
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You probably believe that OM demonstrated "exemplary cooperation" throughout the process, don't you?
Given we self reported 26 of the 28 original allegations and they gave us that title, I do as it partains to the first NOA absolutely. I lean towards yes on the second given that we sat in the parking lot while they ran a sting on rebel rags and did so without notifying them ahead of time but since I haven't heard the exemplary cooperation in the second NOA maybe noT. We will know I'm 90 daya
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 9:13 am
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:17 am to tigerinridgeland
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Who has publicly admitted hearing the tape by name? There seems to be "countless" people who have heard it. If so many have heard the tape, and the Ole Miss Athletic Department seems to be sharing it with "countless" persons, why is there so much mystery and controversy? Why so secretive if it isn't really a secret? Just release the dang thing since apparently it really isn't confidential, given the supposed "countless" people who have heard it.
I would assume we are using it as leverage given it would be a bad look for the NCAA if it were out. If OM gets a two year bowl ban a large show cause for Freeze I'd imagine it gets out.
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If anyone outside of the Ole Miss Athletic Department/Administrators and the lawyers and SEC/NCAA officials have been given access, there is no real reason to keep it confidential any longer. Is this just another effort to manage the damage and to deflect?And so far not too successfully when you have the press, including Kellenberger, calling out the Athletic Department for being duplicitous regarding earlier damage control.
How if it's not true is it managing damage? You damage your program by admitting you record recruits. The only reason you do that, or admit to doing that is to use it as leverage. You lose leverage by releasing to the public
I agree with the rest of what you wrote. It's been handled terribly and should be a blue print on how to not do things
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:20 am to Whereisomaha
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I would assume we are using it as leverage given it would be a bad look for the NCAA if it were out. If OM gets a two year bowl ban a large show cause for Freeze I'd imagine it gets out.
Yes, I am sure that Ole Miss blackmailing the NCAA is a great idea
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:21 am to bamasgot13
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You guys keep trying to imply that's all you're guilty of in terms of payments. Only a fool or an Ole Miss fan would believe that. The $15K is just what they've got evidence of.
Oh look! An actual good argument. I agree the new NCAA will only use what can be proved that's why there is a variation in what the alleged says we paid him,13k-15,600.
My argument still stand though that if we only have good players because we buy them and at a rate more than others then we'd have signed a 4 star Lb once in 5 classes. We would have landed a premier RB once in 5 classes. We would have used our resources to get the players we desperated needed the most. We certainly wouldn't lose them to the shite hole in Starkville if we are out spending them as much as y'all say
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:25 am to NYCAuburn
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Yes, I am sure that Ole Miss blackmailing the NCAA is a great idea
I mean we are fricked if we don't, right? I'm not sure it's blackmail but ammo to show the COI that the investigators used testimony from the worse type of source in a way to weaken any testimony that has weak evidential proof. But I do think there will be an understanding when they go with that if you hammer us that badly, then what do we have to lose by releasing this
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:31 am to Whereisomaha
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I missed the associate AD part in the NOA. You'll have to clue me in on that
In his second stint with the Rebel football staff, Barney Farrar was named Ole Miss’ Assistant Athletics Director for High School and Junior College Relations on Dec. 12, 2011
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Given we self reported 26 of the 28 original allegations and they gave us that title
Source?
The original NOA never mentions cooperation. That's all from the OM response to the NOA. But you've been using Yancey and Neil as source material the entire time, so carry on.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:33 am to SamuelClemens
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This seems to be a lingering thought chain of 0M fans in general. "Everyone else is cheating too!"
Yeah, I was just playing with a coworker calling Ole Miss "filthy cheaters" to which they got angry and replied"so did y'all!". That is their defense. Blame it on everyone but themselves.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:34 am to Whereisomaha
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I'm not sure it's blackmail
if you are one of the ole miss fans who think the "tape" has something on other schools, then yes its blackmail
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to show the COI that the investigators used testimony from the worse type of source in a way to weaken any testimony that has weak evidential proof
umm, not sure how you get that.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:34 am to Whereisomaha
You might be right about the reason, but if that is the reason Ole Miss has certainly made a mess of it. Not trying to be not picky, but the contents of the tape are already out if we believe the reports. We just have apparently different versions of the contents. Is it a voice mail or taped conversation? Does it name schools and amounts, etc.? Not really sure what kind of leverage it can give Ole Miss in any event. It has gotten enough press to probably not have any impact on the NCAA regardless of what it actually contains. If they were holding it back as leverage, a bad strategy in any event, leaking it to numerous folks who have talked it about pretty much destroys the leverage. If it comes out, somebody gets caught with their pants down, since someone's lying about what it contains. If it doesn't come out, the implication is not good for Ole Miss. They leaked the contents, supposedly, and then didn't back it up.
If they wanted it to be leverage, why ever leak information at all? Given what is already out there, everyone already now knows or assumes that Ole Miss records their recruits. Whether they release it now or later, that ship has sailed. Just another screw up with managing the situation. They are delaying the inevitable and losing ground the longer they play this game.
If they wanted it to be leverage, why ever leak information at all? Given what is already out there, everyone already now knows or assumes that Ole Miss records their recruits. Whether they release it now or later, that ship has sailed. Just another screw up with managing the situation. They are delaying the inevitable and losing ground the longer they play this game.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:35 am to Whereisomaha
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When Chris Jones didn't end up here, Redmond, Gay, Green, Simmons, etc. What's your logical answer to if we are the only ones doing that why aren't me getting more top instate players than MSU?
STOP REPEATING YOURSELF with that same line in every thread.
Now listen up closely. You were so busy cherry picking national top recruits from states all over the map. THATS WHY MSU GOT MORE INSTATE KIDS HELLO???
We have made keeping kids at home a priority since Mullen got here and we still were not getting top 25 classes for every year but one, #24 ranked.
Because you cherry picked and stole top recruits all over the nation, you think you are also entitled to 100% of the instate recruits too??? And you seriously that stupid?
Again, you need serious professional help you elitist pos. Go frick yourself.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:44 am to Vecchio Cane
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In his second stint with the Rebel football staff, Barney Farrar was named Ole Miss’ Assistant Athletics Director for High School and Junior College Relations on Dec. 12, 2011
That isn't associate athletic director. Here is ours. LINK
That title means he was in charge on juco recruiting and a title that means he can recruit even when he's not an on the field coach thanks to the Werner waiver. And you know that. You know that he isn't some associate AD that handled athletic admisteatjon stuff and stuff outside of football. You're just using semantics to try and make your argument sound better which leads to the exemplary cooperation comment. I believe it because of Athletic Department flat out said it in their response to the NCAA. They have kept quiet and not made comment on the investigation because that was asked by the NCAA yet they are going to flat out lie about something to the NCAA by commenting on it on direct public correspondence?
You basically have decided that everything elite dawgs says is rihjt and everything OM athletic department, even in direct communication to the NCAA is a lie because they misled their media one time the weekend before NSD.
The fact you say all that stupid stuff and the fact you lump Yancy and Neal together shows your bias and shows where you get your information and shows you don't care what makes logical sense but what makes you feel better.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:47 am to MullenBoys
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Now listen up closely. You were so busy cherry picking national top recruits from states all over the map. THATS WHY MSU GOT MORE INSTATE KIDS HELLO???
Leo, Gay, and Simmons were our top players on our board, period. Not just instate, but overall. Chris was 5 on our board and you got on him earlier. But once again, you paid Redmond. A 4 star corner. You're saying while we paid all these guys, y'all didn't pay these 5*s yet they came to y'all anyway while you paid Redmond?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:52 am to Whereisomaha
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My argument still stand though that if we only have good players because we buy them and at a rate more than others then we'd have signed a 4 star Lb once in 5 classes.
I would contend that you certainly WOULD have landed more than one 4* LB if left alone and allowed to continue the cheating. Once the NCAA got on campus it made that a bit harder to do. When they started offering immunity last year, it made it nearly impossible to cheat on this year's class (see the resulting rating).
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We would have landed a premier RB once in 5 classes
You think Akers goes to Ole Miss if you aren't under investigation? I think it is much more likely that he does than doesn't.
Quick snap shot of your recruiting under Freeze:
2012 - #47 ranked class overall, 12th in SEC, One 5*, Seven 4*
2013 - #8 overall, 4th in SEC, Four 5* players, Seven 4*
2014- #15 overall, 8th in SEC, Zero 5*, Six 4*
2015 - #17 overall, 7th in SEC, Zero 5*, Seven 4*
2016 - #5 overall, 3rd in SEC, Three 5*, Twelve 4*
2017 - #30 overall, 12th in SEC, Zero 5*, Three 4*
The two outliers are the year you guys raised everyone's eyebrows out of nowhere, and the last year you could recruit before new of how bad it was came out and you knew trouble was coming (and lied to recruits, media, and fans about what was coming).
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:53 am to tigerinridgeland
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Not trying to be not picky, but the contents of the tape are already out if we believe the reports. We just have apparently different versions of the contents. Is it a voice mail or taped conversation? Does it name schools and amounts, etc.?
There are three different reports. One that it doesn't exist. One that al.com admits does exist but doesn't mention other schools or money. One where it mentioned LSU for 60k, state for 80k and while she never asked for money from OM she implied it by mentioning the other schools figures. Of the three reports the sources on the latter are the only ones who say they have heard it. Now which one to believe? Logic tells me the the only reason OM would even mention it is if the latter is true. If it's the others you admitted to recording recruits for no reason at all. Believe what you want but I'm going with logic. It's not a voicemail but a recording to my knowledge. Which is odd I know.
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If it comes out, somebody gets caught with their pants down, since someone's lying about what it contains. If it doesn't come out, the implication is not good for Ole Miss. They leaked the contents, supposedly, and then didn't back it up.
Which is why I believe the OM reports. You did nothing but hurt yourself if it's not true. No matter how much it is leaked it loses no leverage as long as there is no proof it's true and releasing it would be the proof which I would assume happens once OM is hammered and has nothing to lose. If OM isn't, then it won't be released and there will always be speculation but OM fan won't care because we would have avoided terrible penalties
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 9:56 am
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