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re: So the NCAA is in Oxford
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:30 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:30 am to Crowknowsbest
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The difference is that now the NCAA potentially has a motivated witness against one of the recruits in question. They haven't had that before.
Possible but there will still need to be proof more than he-said,she-said allegations, which is all this is at the moment. They couldn't find proof in the past, so can the stepfather produce somethjng now? We shall see
Again, that is if they (the NCAA) is going after recruiting violations. The agent allegations are new and wouldn't likely involve OM (could explain why OM didn't need to attend the meeting)
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 11:31 am
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:31 am to Crowknowsbest
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but didn't his stepdad also mention agent benefits?
Not to my knowledge, although I think he has implied it. He did allege improper benefits during recruitment.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:32 am to fillmoregandt
The NCAA doesn't need to proof to cause a massive headache for a university. They aren't that fair or competent.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:35 am to Crowknowsbest
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The NCAA doesn't need to proof to cause a massive headache for a university. They aren't that fair or competent.
Headache, no, but they won't suspend or rule ineligible a player based solely on a disgruntled family members story when it's already been looked at at least once
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:36 am to fillmoregandt
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Possible but there will still need to be proof more than he-said,she-said allegations, which is all this is at the moment. They couldn't find proof in the past, so can the stepfather produce somethjng now? We shall see
The concern would be that they found rumors or shaky evidence before, and that combined with this make them decide to act. They don't need proof that anything happened, essentially they just need to convince themselves that it did. At least this is my understanding.
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when it's already been looked at at least once
You're viewing this as proof of innocence. It isn't, it's further speculation and rumor. The fact that he's already been investigated contributes negatively.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:38 am to fillmoregandt
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Headache, no, but they won't suspend or rule ineligible a player based solely on a disgruntled family members story when it's already been looked at at least once
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they'll open up an investigation, tell the university that they can continue to play him but at their own risk of playing a player who was ineligible, and put the university in a terrible position of having to choose with limited information as to what the NCAA knows or what their threshold of evidence will be.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:43 am to skirpnasty
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You're viewing this as proof of innocence. It isn't, it's further speculation and rumor. The fact that he's already been investigated contributes negatively.
And you're viewing it a pattern of bad behavior. Neither of us know what the outcome of the first review was other than a non-finding. The last could have been a bough rumor as well and he was 100% cleared. Or it could have been cleared because of lack of info. We don't know other than we've been through this before and nothing came of it.
It's kind of like in a game and a ruling is reviewed. There's a difference between "the ruling is confirmed" versus "the ruling on the field stands"
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:46 am to fillmoregandt
I'm viewing it from their point of view. Even if he was found 100% innocent and there was no trace whatsoever of activity, it's still a rumor. They've still heard the name before.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:47 am to Crowknowsbest
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they'll open up an investigation, tell the university that they can continue to play him but at their own risk of playing a player who was ineligible, and put the university in a terrible position of having to choose with limited information as to what the NCAA knows or what their threshold of evidence will be.
I get what you're saying. It's the university's decision to sit or play LT. It really depends what the NCAA is telling them. Are they rereviewing old info or has something new come up? It's too early to tell
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:51 am to skirpnasty
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I'm viewing it from their point of view. Even if he was found 100% innocent and there was no trace whatsoever of activity, it's still a rumor. They've still heard the name before.
If he's already been cleared in the past, the burden is on stepdad to convince the NCAA that they were wrong. Especially if he's pointing out things that have already been reviewed (and subsequently cleared) before
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:04 pm to fillmoregandt
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The difference is that now the NCAA potentially has a motivated witness against one of the recruits in question. They haven't had that before.
I haven't kept up with this, but didn't his stepdad also mention agent benefits?
Witness willing to work with them and connect the dots. That's not good. Similar to Reggie Bush, you got someone who is now pissed off.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:05 pm to fillmoregandt
Why does the step-dad have such an axe to grind? This is a kid afterall.....And a potential future meal ticket.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:08 pm to RT1941
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Why does the step-dad have such an axe to grind? This is a kid afterall.....And a potential future meal ticket.
Kid whooped that arse and presumably cut him out of the gravy train.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:09 pm to fillmoregandt
I think that many people are forgetting that this version of NCAA penalty structures and the NCAA enforcement arm are radically changed in comparison to how previous cases have been handled.
I am guessing that the UNC mess is the last active case under the old guidelines, penalty structure and vague violation definitions. Not to mention that Oliver Luck is not really a guy that will let things drag out.
This is good and bad for OM. It is good in that they should push the envelope to try and put OM in the best possible position for the season knowing the stakes involved. It is bad because the previous penalty structure and the new penalty structure are night and day different and the new structure has what seems to be much bigger teeth to penalize players coaches and programs.
I am guessing that the UNC mess is the last active case under the old guidelines, penalty structure and vague violation definitions. Not to mention that Oliver Luck is not really a guy that will let things drag out.
This is good and bad for OM. It is good in that they should push the envelope to try and put OM in the best possible position for the season knowing the stakes involved. It is bad because the previous penalty structure and the new penalty structure are night and day different and the new structure has what seems to be much bigger teeth to penalize players coaches and programs.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:11 pm to RT1941
I think it's because Hugh Freeze said he was a wife beater, and that LT only attacked him because he was hitting his Mom. The step dad says that all he did was argue with the mom and LT about allowing agents to interfere with his college career. He says he never got physical with the Mom and LT beat the hell out of him for arguing about the agents.
If he isn't a wife abuser, Freeze sure told the world he is/was.
If he isn't a wife abuser, Freeze sure told the world he is/was.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:18 pm to Ldrake53
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:23 pm to Ldrake53
Yeah I think people forget that. If this guy is telling the truth and he didn't hit her, then from his point of view, this kid and university just cost that man his marriage. Not surprising that he is this upset about it, regardless of whether or not he actually shoved the mother.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:24 pm to Ldrake53
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If he isn't a wife abuser, Freeze sure told the world he is/was.
I've said from the beginning that this was the strangest part of the entire story. That is a massive allegation to make, and it's horribly irresponsible if it is baseless.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:30 pm to Ldrake53
Freeze cant help himself.
I have no problems with ole miss but I'd love to see freeze fake arse get buried
I have no problems with ole miss but I'd love to see freeze fake arse get buried
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:30 pm to pankReb
Accepting transportation from agents (as in riding around with them) ends Tunsil's college eligibility.
Actually sounds like Miller was trying to look out for his stepson and the prick beat him up.
Freeze told everybody that Miller was beating his wife.
Thats a pretty damn serious allegation to make, and if Miller wasn't beating his wife I wouldn't blame him for trying to get Freze's arse fried.
Actually sounds like Miller was trying to look out for his stepson and the prick beat him up.
Freeze told everybody that Miller was beating his wife.
Thats a pretty damn serious allegation to make, and if Miller wasn't beating his wife I wouldn't blame him for trying to get Freze's arse fried.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 12:41 pm
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