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re: So is the death penalty officially... dead?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:24 am to WDE24
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:24 am to WDE24
If you want reform across colleges and conferences, tv bans might get you there, because that affects all members of the conference.
Maybe that should be the heavy hammer they need to wield.
That will keep schools in line as it affects their membership and everyone else's
Maybe that should be the heavy hammer they need to wield.
That will keep schools in line as it affects their membership and everyone else's
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Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:29 am to allin2010
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We know the other case "starring down the barrel of the death penalty"
Is this really necessary? That was over 10 years ago and did not involve cover up of child rape. Is it possible for auburn fans today to focus on what happened at PSU without thinking of how it relates to Alabama?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:37 am to Swoopin
You may never well see it again, but I don't think we can assume it for sure just based on this ruling.
As horrible as this was, it doesn't really seem like the NCAA had much of a choice with SMU.
As horrible as this was, it doesn't really seem like the NCAA had much of a choice with SMU.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:45 am to sarc
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I think it would take another situation similar to SMU: a system in which payers are paid with knowledge by the institution, NCAA busts them and tells institution to cut it out, institution disregards NCAA and allows players to continue to be paid
So taking money is worse than abusing little boys and in the case of Baylor, trying to cover up a murder of basketball player?
I don't understand NCAA morals.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:55 am to Swoopin
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I think we've all assumed that the death penalty was to be avoided at all costs seeing how it affected SMU. This point has been suggested during every major investigation probably at some point or another when the death penalty is mentioned (however baselessly).
With today's news, can we safely say that there will in fact never be a death penalty handed out again?
It should be "dead" after what they did to SMU. Which IMO messed up the SWC.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:57 am to allin2010
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It would have to be very bad. This is the closest the NCAA has come to that penalty. We know the other case "starring down the barrel of the death penalty"
You never cease to amaze me at just how low you will go to bash anything Alabama.
You seriously think bringing up something from 10 yrs ago has any relation or could compare to ongoing child rape by a pedophile at PSU?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:59 am to bayou2003
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Is this really necessary? That was over 10 years ago and did not involve cover up of child rape. Is it possible for auburn fans today to focus on what happened at PSU without thinking of how it relates to Alabama?
I agree. I heard some idiot this morning make a statement that he could not believe Penn State punishment was more severe than what Alabama received. I'm thinking to myself WTH. How do you compare the two. Mark Emmert and others used the word unprecedented for a reason.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:05 pm to stronghouse
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I agree. I heard some idiot this morning make a statement that he could not believe Penn State punishment was more severe than what Alabama received. I'm thinking to myself WTH. How do you compare the two. Mark Emmert and others used the word unprecedented for a reason.
allin2010 is known to rehash any old crap, he's got a database at his finger tips where he can easily pull up shite on Bama anytime he wants.
He took a low blow today when he tried in his almighty hatred of Bama to even suggest that our penalties could compare to a child rape coverup.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:06 pm to stronghouse
In my opinion, PSU received a Death Penalty. Just a lesser version of the Death Penalty. It'll take forever for that team to recover.
60 million dollar fine! Loss of scholarships, bowl games, vacated wins, and the ability of pretty much the entire team to transfer out without penalty.
They received a death penalty...just not the death penalty.
60 million dollar fine! Loss of scholarships, bowl games, vacated wins, and the ability of pretty much the entire team to transfer out without penalty.
They received a death penalty...just not the death penalty.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:10 pm to Aman
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Is it possible for auburn fans today to focus on what happened at PSU without thinking of how it relates to Alabama?
Goes both ways.
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As a disclaimer, let me say that I in NO way condone what Sandusky did, but if this is what it takes to severely punish a university why couldn't Sandusky have done it at AU ?
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No, if the Barn had Sandusky roaming the sidelines, they would still find a way to skate
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Yep you got it ttown, they are protected by mohammed himself.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:13 pm to Swoopin
The "Death Penalty" is really a repeat offenders rule so anticipating the Death Penalty for any school even if their transgressions are some of the worst deemed by the NCAA, is highly unlikely unless the school is already on probation.
I don't believe the Death Penalty is dead. Its just going to take the perfect storm for it to used again. Its going to take for a completely rouge program for the NCAA to dust off the Death Penalty.
I don't believe the Death Penalty is dead. Its just going to take the perfect storm for it to used again. Its going to take for a completely rouge program for the NCAA to dust off the Death Penalty.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:19 pm to BigBrod81
Exactly. Penn State just received the first form of "Death Penalty" reserved for schools not already on probation. This is the stiffest form of punishment the NCAA could give PSU without suspending football operations.
It's the Death Penalty for schools not on probation. Schools should take notice.
It's the Death Penalty for schools not on probation. Schools should take notice.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:26 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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NorthGwinnettTiger
Sickening from both sides, I totally agree.
But, I will say that the this shite isn't allowed to go that far on this site.
IMO, it was totally out of lines for one of your fans to continue his attempt to bash Alabama in his previous post when he compared the current penalties of PSU to the 10 yr old penalties of UA.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:27 pm to RT1941
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this shite isn't allowed to go that far on this site.
That's why I only post here.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:30 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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this shite isn't allowed to go that far on this site.
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That's why I only post here.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:56 pm to LBC
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Pretty much this. By letting players freely transferred(and apparently they're working out a way it won't count towards the 85 scholly limit), reducing scholarships, and putting in the bowl ban they're gonna be playing walk-ons in a couple years.
And even so, they will still beat Indiana. Poor Indiana.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:34 am to bona fide
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I think it can and will happen again.
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If Penn State had not accepted the package of NCAA sanctions announced Monday, the Nittany Lions faced a historic death penalty of four years, university president Rodney Erickson told "Outside the Lines" on Wednesday afternoon. In a separate interview, NCAA president Mark Emmert confirmed that a core group of NCAA school presidents had agreed early last week that an appropriate punishment was no Penn State football for four years. Emmert told Erickson in a phone conversation on July 17 that a majority of the NCAA's leadership wanted to levy the four-year penalty because of Penn State's leaders' roles in covering up the child sexual abuse of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. "Well, that's a pretty tough number to swallow," Erickson said he recalled thinking when told of the four-year possibility by Emmert. "It's unprecedented. It's a blow to the gut; there's no doubt about that ... I couldn't agree to that at all."
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 1:36 am
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:42 am to Swoopin
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With today's news, can we safely say that there will in fact never be a death penalty handed out again?
I think it'll always be there in case you have a situation with repeat offenders (I think your USCw example is fitting here and God forbid Penn State so much as look cross-eyed at a violation during the next 5 years). And had Penn State not agreed it definitely would've happened again.
I just think the NCAA realizes how devastating it is to hand it out. But I think it's still on the table given the right situation.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 4:21 am to mizzoukills
Look for PSU to get hit hard again in a year or so if they somehow keep this recruiting class in place. It would be very obvious that the boosters have made "incentives" for players to stay. The attitude of PSU right now is the NCAA can't do much more to them and they are furious that the NCAA jumped in this investigation and added insult to injury.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 4:43 am to Swoopin
From my understanding, if Penn State had not signed off on the penalties that they were given then they would have been given the death penalty.
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 4:44 am
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