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Sleeping on MSU? Will Rogers has 32 starts going into '23
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:36 am
I'd like to know the W-L record of senior starting quarterbacks who have more than 30 starts in the SEC.
Can you recall a senior starter with that much experience who had a losing record his senior year?
Can you recall a senior starter with that much experience who had a losing record his senior year?
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Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:39 am to Mulkey Man
Can you recall a senior starter with that much experience who had a losing record his senior year?
It’s a unique situation with a new (totally unproven) coach, the circumstances around that, the change from the old coach’s trademark system, etc
That being said, having an experienced returning QB is a big deal and Arnett needs to take advantage
It’s a unique situation with a new (totally unproven) coach, the circumstances around that, the change from the old coach’s trademark system, etc
That being said, having an experienced returning QB is a big deal and Arnett needs to take advantage
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:43 am to Mulkey Man
I think Will is an extremely hard working kid and I’ve got a lot of respect for him. I don’t see us having a losing record this year.
At the same time, I do not see him leading us to anything more than 9-3. I personally think we go 7-5
At the same time, I do not see him leading us to anything more than 9-3. I personally think we go 7-5
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:43 am to Mulkey Man
Leach QBs have a long a storied track record of fizzling out once they no longer play in Leach's offense.
Sorry MSU, history is not on your side on this one.
Sorry MSU, history is not on your side on this one.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:48 am to Mulkey Man
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Can you recall a senior starter with that much experience who had a losing record his senior year?
Herb Tyler - LSU 1998 was a 2.5 year starter (29 starts) entering his senior season and went 4-7 his senior year.
Not sure how many career starts he had but Tyler Wilson was a returning 5th year senior starter who went 4-8 after the Petrino offseason disaster
It’s probably not common and when bad seasons happen it’s prob not been because of QB play
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:49 am to Cocotheape
To answer the OP, no, I cannot.
Comparable QBs to Rogers include Drew Lock (33 starts entering senior season) and Brandon Allen (23 starts entering senior season). Neither of their teams (2018 Mizzou and 2015 Arkansas) had losing records.
Mond is another one, who had 33 starts entering his senior season, when A&M went 9-1.
Jason Campbell and Connor Shaw will probably be on the list too. Matt Jones might (I'm not sure how many games he started), as well as Bo Nix.
Comparable QBs to Rogers include Drew Lock (33 starts entering senior season) and Brandon Allen (23 starts entering senior season). Neither of their teams (2018 Mizzou and 2015 Arkansas) had losing records.
Mond is another one, who had 33 starts entering his senior season, when A&M went 9-1.
Jason Campbell and Connor Shaw will probably be on the list too. Matt Jones might (I'm not sure how many games he started), as well as Bo Nix.
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 11:35 am
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:49 am to Krampus
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Leach QBs have a long a storied track record of fizzling out once they no longer play in Leach's offense.
Sorry MSU, history is not on your side on this one.
I assume you mean Leach's QBs have not worked out in the NFL?
At the college level, Leach's last Texas Tech starting QB, Taylor Potts, actually improved greatly the year after Leach left. Potts started under Tuberville.
When Leach left Washington State in 2019, he did not leave behind a starting QB. Plus it was the fake covid season the following year, so nothing can be judged from it.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:50 am to Mulkey Man
It’s a complete change in offensive philosophy. Much of the pro style stuff probably can’t be run because of years in an air raid system.
Things could certainly break right and they have a solid year. Especially because of the experience that’s returning. But that’s a massive change from one extreme to the other on offense. First time head coach on top of it.
Things could certainly break right and they have a solid year. Especially because of the experience that’s returning. But that’s a massive change from one extreme to the other on offense. First time head coach on top of it.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:51 am to Mulkey Man
Kellen Mond is the most recent example I can think of. So expect Kellen Mond production with less of a supporting cast? Idk
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:52 am to Mulkey Man
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Plus it was the fake covid season the following year, so nothing can be judged from it.
I'd want to forget the 2020 season if I were an LSU fan, too.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:53 am to lsufball19
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Not sure how many career starts he had but Tyler Wilson was a returning 5th year senior starter who went 4-8 after the Petrino offseason disaster
Wilson was a second-year starter his senior year, he doesn't fit.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:53 am to Tarpon08
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Kellen Mond is the most recent example I can think of. So expect Kellen Mond production with less of a supporting cast? Idk
A&M went 9-1 in Mond's senior season, which was statistically his best in terms of QB rating.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:55 am to Mulkey Man
Stanford was 20-23 with John Elway as the starter.
shite happens.
shite happens.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:58 am to Mulkey Man
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Can you recall a senior starter with that much experience who had a losing record his senior year?
Kyle Shurmur
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:02 am to Dawgfanman
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Kyle Shurmur
Good call on Shurmur. I would note he went 6-7, which qualifies as a successful season at Vandy.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:07 am to Mulkey Man
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Can you recall a senior starter with that much experience who had a losing record his senior year?
Subsequent to the 2002 season, Jared Lorenzen had started 29 games at Kentucky.
During his senior year in 2003, they went on to finish 4–8 (1–7 SEC).
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 11:12 am
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:10 am to CapstoneGrad06
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It’s a complete change in offensive philosophy. Much of the pro style stuff probably can’t be run because of years in an air raid system.
Kinda sucks that our only choice is to scrap all air raid concepts and only use Barbay's offense.
I dream of a world where coaches can adapt their gameplans to the players they have on campus, instead of their monolithic philosophies. Oh well, maybe next year.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:17 am to Mulkey Man
He is going to be solid. Of course, his numbers aren’t going to be there cause of the different offense but might be more efficient. Hopefully, the running game will take some of the pressure off.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:18 am to paperwasp
That was before strength training. QB's could smoke during games.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:23 am to paperwasp
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I'd like to know the W-L record of senior starting quarterbacks who have more than 30 starts in the SEC.
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Subsequent to the 2002 season, Jared Lorenzen had started 29 games at Kentucky.
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