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re: SIAP: Paul Bryant Jr's Bank Tie That Binds UA BOT
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:34 am to 14&Counting
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:34 am to 14&Counting
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Yet they are not equal. They have different mandates, demographics, and purposes they serve. This concept seems to escape you.
I am only going by what the BoT publicly says.
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“We are a system. We are supposed to be supporting everyone,” Espy said.
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:34 am to SECSolomonGrundy
many schools have won national championships in multiple sports since baby bear has been around. Auburn has probably won national championships in at least 4 different sports since he has been around. Bama has still finished in the middle of the SEC in the all sports standings during most or all of his tenure
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:35 am to higgs_boson
The fact of the matter is UAB can't survive on its own without the UA BOT. UAB would die very quickly without UA. There is no UAB school of medicine. It is the UA School of Medicine and the only reason UAB has any recognition. 
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:44 am to 14&Counting
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They have different mandates, demographics, and purposes they serve.
All of this changes over time. UA now is more a school for out of state students than in state. UAB has developed a undergraduate program with more than 20k students.
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You answered your own question. Football had 22 years to build a fanbase and the fact remains hardly anyone in the Birmingham metro area cared enough.
Again a chicken and an egg argument. Blocking the hire of Jimbo Fisher, not even voting on the stadium proposal and keeping the program under a cloud of cancellation since 2004 hurt the program.
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Have you heard anyone complaining about UAB's success in basketball in the past or even this year relative to the program in Tuscaloosa?
Yes. Alabama fans still curse Gene Bartow and will not play UAB in basketball. Example a reply from Alabama fan at capstone
[quote]uab athletics was born of a lie. the lie being that the basketball program everyone agreed to was going to start out at division three.
then they went behind everyone’s back and hired bartow. bartow, coming from ucla, would never have agreed to come coach a division three team.
Read more at LINK ]
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:51 am to higgs_boson
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Under Bryant jr. Alabama has flourished. He has done a tremendous job with UA. However, I think UAB is justified in saying he has not been nearly as supportive to the campus. The issue is, the board is supposed to treat all universities under its stewardship equally.
The evil Bot regarding UAB just the past few years....
February, 2015
- The University of Alabama Board of Trustees have approved a $4.5 million budget for a new UAB soccer facility to include a 2,500 spectator grandstand and a C-USA regulation playing field.
- the board also approved an addition to and renovation of the School of Nursing building, which is expected to yield an additional 82,400 gross square feet with a $32 million proposed budget.
Other UAB items approved at the meeting include:
- a $37.5 million classroom and faculty office building for the Collat School of Business on the north side of University Boulevard LINK
- an $8 million renovation of Denman Hall to serve as student housing for Honor's College students
a proposal to develop a Master of Social Work degree
- a proposal to develop an immunology Bachelor of Science degree
- a $1.5 million School of Medicine donation from Trustee John D. Johns and his wife, Dr. Nancy Dunlap
Other UAB projects approved by the evil Bot....
2013 Plans for new UAB student center approved
The center will focus space for student activities, gatherings and services, including a student welcome center. It will provide more than 150,000 square feet of meeting, conference and auditorium space; student organization spaces; upgraded dining facilities; a bookstore; and a one-stop student services center for admissions, course registration, student accounting, parking, financial aid and student ID functions.
2013 - Evil Bot approves new residence hall and wellness center for UAB....
The 217,000 square foot residence hall will be built near the Campus Green on property owned by UAB – the north half of the block bordered by 9th and 10th avenues south and 16th and 17th streets. The L-shaped building will consist of an eight-story tower and a four-story wing that will contain common space and multi-use office space in addition to housing.
The new Student Health and Wellness Center will bring the Counseling and Wellness Center and Student Health Services Center into a centrally located complex in the Learning Resource Center (LRC), 1714 9th Ave. South. The center will integrate student primary care, counseling and wellness, as well as health promotion. About 26,000 square feet on the 3rd floor of the LRC will be renovated to house the new center, with a new entrance on the south side of the building.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:52 am to yellowhammer2098
The fact of the matter is UAB can't survive on its own without the UA BOT. UAB would die very quickly without UA. There is no UAB school of medicine. It is the UA School of Medicine and the only reason UAB has any recognition.
Some Alabama fans claim a lot but never back it up with anything.
UAB brings it tons of money through research grants which are earned by the faculty and researchers working there, not by the grace of UA.
Why don't you supply something to actually back up what you say.
By the way here is an editorial undersigned by medical students at the UAB school of medicine.
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Some Alabama fans claim a lot but never back it up with anything.
UAB brings it tons of money through research grants which are earned by the faculty and researchers working there, not by the grace of UA.
Why don't you supply something to actually back up what you say.
By the way here is an editorial undersigned by medical students at the UAB school of medicine.
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We received an email with the results of a strategic plan that did not include input from UAB students as part of its development. It cuts scholarships and slashes athletics in the name of fiscal responsibility. We cannot help but see a parallel in the chronic underfunding of medical research in recent years -- also done in the name of fiscal responsibility. We trust that there is a more nuanced rationale behind the decision to cut UAB athletics today than simply a balance sheet. We do not believe that a balance sheet captures the true investment of the UAB football program. We do not believe that the president of the university, who represents the best interests of the University of Alabama at Birmingham, would cut the UAB football program, and by extension the entirety of UAB athletics in one form or another, because of a balance sheet. If it were an issue of a balance sheet, UAB would do what UAB has always done -- fight to find the funding and fight to find the will to move forward to dream big and to achieve big.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:57 am to jatebe
Appreciate you providing information. Again nothing is really as simple as good or bad. Has the UA BoT done great things for UAB? Yes. Have they done some really bad things? Yes.
Specifically, in this matter, they are the only entity that can remove the President.
Again would a UA president still be presiding if all the votes of no confidence as well as evidence of lying to stakeholders still be in office? (I am still waiting for any honest answer about this)
Most importantly, what say does UAB actually have in the matter?
Specifically, in this matter, they are the only entity that can remove the President.
Again would a UA president still be presiding if all the votes of no confidence as well as evidence of lying to stakeholders still be in office? (I am still waiting for any honest answer about this)
Most importantly, what say does UAB actually have in the matter?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:03 pm to higgs_boson
Yeah, let's disregard the new residence hall, student center, wellness center, business center, etc. We just want a football field for our 7,000 or so fans.
Hell, make a law (as one of the Reps is doing) and force the Alabama state residents to support the UAB team since they can't support themselves.
Hell, make a law (as one of the Reps is doing) and force the Alabama state residents to support the UAB team since they can't support themselves.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:05 pm to undecided
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They don't call it a family at the University of Alabama for nothing
Didn't even get past the first line. What a joke
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:09 pm to higgs_boson
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higgs_boson
Just because some journalist groups the medical school and UAB together doesn't make it fact.
It is the University of Alabama School of Medicine. Look at the acceptance letters people get. It is just like the LSU medical school being in New Orleans. Nobody calls it the LSUN School of Medicine. UAB wants it to be the UAB school of medicine which is why they attempt to rebrand it as such but it is the University of Alabama School of Medicine.
ETA: Also talk to graduates. They call it the UA School of Medicine and I know personally multiple grads who hate UAB's attempt to rebrand it.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:15 pm to higgs_boson
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I am only going by what the BoT publicly says.
...and they do get supported. perhaps not to the extent you think they should....but there are competeing agendas for limited resources.
Listen buddy, I have an undergrad and grad degree from UAT but did both undergrad and grad work at UAB.... I was also a southside kid so I get where you are coming from.
It has been a long-standing complaint at UAB that they alaways feel like a second class citizen to UAT. I have never met a professor or academic type who didn't think there concentartion was the most important thing and the admin. was screwing them on funding. I well understand UAB's complaints and I am on the record as syaing that UAB should be supported in the academic arena. The football team was an abortion and complete and utter waste of money that could have been spent elsewhere. Take the $100MM necessary to float a football team and pur it into academics.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:17 pm to jatebe
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Yeah, let's disregard the new residence hall, student center, wellness center, business center, etc. We just want a football field for our 7,000 or so fans.
Hell, make a law (as one of the Reps is doing) and force the Alabama state residents to support the UAB team since they can't support themselves.
One of the best, most direct posts I've seen on this topic since it began.
UAB fans are the reason they no longer have a football program. It was a black hole due to their lack of support.
Hell, they've gotten more support from resident Auburn fans just because of their hatred for Bama than they have from actual UAB fans if I had to estimate.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:24 pm to auburnphan23
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Bama has still finished in the middle of the SEC in the all sports standings during most or all of his tenure
who gives a shite if our rowing teams suck every year? we are winning national titles in several sports and making a frick ton of money.
and what the frick does the all sports ranking have to do with Bryant Jr? he doesn't coach the women's soccer team.
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Auburn has probably won national championships in at least 4 different sports since he has been around
swimming/diving, football, and equestrian. yall suck dick at everything else. what is your point?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:26 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:28 pm to 14&Counting
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It has been a long-standing complaint at UAB that they alaways feel like a second class citizen to UAT. I have never met a professor or academic type who didn't think there concentartion was the most important thing and the admin. was screwing them on funding. I well understand UAB's complaints and I am on the record as syaing that UAB should be supported in the academic arena. The football team was an abortion and complete and utter waste of money that could have been spent elsewhere. Take the $100MM necessary to float a football team and pur it into academics.
Makes sense and I see your point of view. While we disagree on the athletics, I do see your points and think there is a valid debate there. What irritates me is all the people who say this all about hating on Alabama, when it is about UAB. Sadly there is no way to disentangle the two issues. In agree with you completely on the sentiment of the faculty, and the cuts to benefits has only made that feeling more pronounced.
At the end of the day, I am not sure UAB football was viable --- I have an opinion but can easily see the other side of it. What I can say, is this whole process was a giant botch job and now you have a President at the University that the faculty, alumni and students do not want and cannot remove because he has the support of a few very powerful people.
Hope you have a good day and will see you in the next UAB thread (LOL)
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:29 pm to JETigER
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I only go by what I know and trust. and I know and trust that 13-1 is greater than 12-1 so LSU is the 2011 National Champions
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:30 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:300$ million? Did you read those numbers on some random internet message board and start spouting that crap off as truth? Anyone can google the football revenue and expenses in about 4 seconds.
Who cares?
UAB football was a black hole. Lost $300+ MILLION over the last several years.
Frick that.
UA Board of Trustees doesn't cause UAB fans to not go to games, or "boost" the program.
At most, UAB football lost roughly 25$ million over a 25 year period since it's inception. In UAB football's worst year ever in 2013 when fan support was at an all time low due to 10 years of being screwed over, UAB football reported a 2 million dollar loss (3.5 million in expenses is scholarships) before any subsidy. After student fees, the team had around a 500k to 1 million dollar loss which was the true net loss for the program in it's worst year ever.
That's what happens when you completely hamstring a program for 10-15 years:
- Coaching hire tampering multiple times in 2006/2007.
- a VALID stadium proposal not even looked at by the board in 2011.
- A self imposed death penalty threatened by the board in 2002 the day before the NFL draft...yeah thanks for the help recruiting UA board.
-Coach McGee (2012-2013) was promised many things for the program and never got ANYTHING. He tried to do fundraisers with former players and wasn't even allowed.
- 2014 - Bill Clark told he would be given turf for the practice field, donated for by a UAB donor, and that turf got nixed by the board...board members not even on the "athletic committee".
Please cite your sources where UAB football lost 300 million in a few years? I'd love to hear what facilities they built to accomplish that feat (oh wait, they only had some dental offices for coach offices and that was their 'facilities'). 300$ million implies 12 million a year LOSS for 25 years. UAB football's expenses BEFORE REVENUE wasn't even 9 million last year.
Use Equity in athletics or google UAB's football expense report next time.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:39 pm to higgs_boson
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Hope you have a good day and will see you in the next UAB thread (LOL)
Thanks and same to you. It's refreshing to have a reasonable conversation about a controversial topic with a rival fan that doesn't denegrate into al.com insults.
I too agree with you on most all of your points and I want UAB to be the best it can be. With respect toyour issues on the academic side, I agree with you....Yes, I agree that funding has probably been lacking but honestly football is just not the answer. Quite frankly, its unreasobale to think otherwise given that massive juggernaut of a program that sits an hour away.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:42 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
What the frick has Bammer been historically good at? You had never won a national championship in any sport outside of football and women's gymnastics until about two years ago. Baby bear has been around a lot longer than the last 2 or 3 years
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:43 pm to higgs_boson
These so called fans of UAB don't care about the academics. They only want their football team back with a new stadium and a national championship winning coach.... all 7,000 or so of them. Make the taxpayers pay for them, since UAB football is losing money.
The few #freeuab crowd even attended the Bot meeting and when the Bot announced all the millions of upgrades to facilities and academics, they booed. And why? Because these few people (look at he pictures of the #freeuab crowd.... few) only care about having a football team. And they will go to great lengths, even so far as to get a state representative to propose a bill to force the state to fund one for them.
I bet auburn fans like that the bill will force the Bot to do away with the University of Alabama football team if poor little ole UAB can't have one. Come on comrade.... let's shut down Bama football, because UAB fans suck.
The few #freeuab crowd even attended the Bot meeting and when the Bot announced all the millions of upgrades to facilities and academics, they booed. And why? Because these few people (look at he pictures of the #freeuab crowd.... few) only care about having a football team. And they will go to great lengths, even so far as to get a state representative to propose a bill to force the state to fund one for them.
I bet auburn fans like that the bill will force the Bot to do away with the University of Alabama football team if poor little ole UAB can't have one. Come on comrade.... let's shut down Bama football, because UAB fans suck.
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