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re: Seth Davis ranks SEC bball coaches, says it is possibly best group in America

Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by DC RaiseHerBack
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:48 pm to
Your whole post is ill informed but even if you want to call this year a fluke, how do you explain his success at UAB and Mizzou?

He didn't just start coaching.
Posted by betweenthebara
nowhere
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:50 pm to
I love the weak toss in kennedy compliment.





I hate you bk.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37299 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:56 pm to
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Arkansas had by far the easiest schedule


Our strength of schedule was 4th or 5th in the conference and in the 30's overall.
Posted by Gcockboi
Rock Hill
Member since Oct 2012
7689 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:58 pm to
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Mike Anderson's year is explained by a comparison of the conference schedules. Arkansas had by far the easiest schedule. Florida was at the other extreme with the toughest schedule. With a good coach the Hogs would've been in the conference title hunt right down to the end.

Arkansas would most likely have been NIT bound again this year if they'd had even an average schedule.



This is about the dumbest post I have ever seen on this website. They won 27 games I think, so with just an average SEC schedule arky would have lost 8 or 9 more games to make the NIT? Da frick
Posted by SirPsychoSexy
Baton Roudjhe
Member since Apr 2011
448 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 9:03 pm to
By no means is Johnny Jones a world beater, but some of these ratings of him are a joke. Funny how this crappy coach finished 3rd in the league. He sure styled on several coaches ranked ahead of him.
Posted by hogSS
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2008
1904 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 9:05 pm to
Oh look, double oh made an alter. Glad to see you're still obsessed with Mike Anderson.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
7797 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

By no means is Johnny Jones a world beater, but some of these ratings of him are a joke. Funny how this crappy coach finished 3rd in the league.


Jones and Kennedy at A&M.

That these are two of the perceived weaker coaches in the conference kind of illustrates the point that the SEC is certainly kicking it up a notch in terms of respected coaches.

Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 9:43 pm to
I mean Billy D is easily top 2 right now, but I can't see how you rank him over Cal at the moment unless you are mainly going on 2 championships > 1.

Cal's stretch at UK in the last 6 years is just absurd:
1 championship
1 runner-up
2 more Final Four appearances
1 Elite Eight

and now has a very legit chance of having the first ever 40-0 team
Posted by law unforcement
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:27 pm to
Mike Anderson had one good year at UAB out of four and one good year at Missouri out of five. Nine seasons and only two good ones, with one tie for a conference title, hardly defines success.

This year's Arkansas team only played 1 of the other top nine teams in the conference twice. Every other team played at least three of the top 9 twice.

Meanwhile, Arkansas played 4 of the five bottom teams twice. No other team played more than 2 of the bottom five twice.

With that schedule and only having to play Kentucky once, a good coach would've had the Hogs contending for the title.

Middle of the pack coach gets middle of the pack results. This year's underachievement was glossed over by the relatively lightweight schedule.

It is what it is.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:31 pm to
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but I can't see how you rank him over Cal



Because Donovan isn't a fricking cheating cheater who cheats.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
29179 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:33 pm to
quote:

By no means is Johnny Jones a world beater, but some of these ratings of him are a joke. Funny how this crappy coach finished 3rd in the league. He sure styled on several coaches ranked ahead of him.




I'm glad someone else has said it.

He walked into a shite situation just like Anderson and Martin, and his first three years have been better than both...in fact, he's making martin look like a jackass considering the praise and pedestal some on here still put him on. Martin walked into a loaded roster at Kansas State, then bailed when it counted. Now he's three years at Carolina getting sucked off for upsetting an average Ole Miss team in the SECT.

I'm not saying Martin isn't a good coach, but it's funny the passes he gets. He'd be on the hot seat in Baton Rouge

This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 10:34 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111507 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:07 am to
I'll say it. Martin isn't a good coach. Neither is Jones.

But JJ is a helluva recruiter. Which is good.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
29179 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:14 am to
What's your definition of "good"? Jones has donea good, not great, job so far at LSU. Martin hasn't accomplished shite in the same time frame

We'll have depth for the first time under him with a top class coming in. he has the chance to show that he's great. if LSU fizzles, I'll probably side with you
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
22088 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:17 am to
It is easily Cal and Donovan . . .

EVERYONE else is second tier to those guys.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111507 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:27 am to
That's fair. He has underachieved a bit considering his talent. But he showed some signs of life this year.

And if he keeps recruiting like this, it can't hurt.
Posted by REBEL5 AC
Member since Sep 2012
14701 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:52 am to
he's proven he is far from a bad coach. Explain how you hate him, but love Mullen. Lots of similarities.
Posted by SwayzeBalla
Member since Dec 2011
19451 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:59 am to
That really is a solid list. AK at 8 seems low considering what he's done at OM, but I can't make an argument for moving him in front of anyone ahead of him.
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13454 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:01 am to
I agree that Martin is really average. Where would he be without Huggins' recruits?

Jones is a pretty bad X's and O's coach, but if he continues recruiting like he has been it won't matter.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37299 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 7:26 am to
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This year's Arkansas team only played 1 of the other top nine teams in the conference twice. Every other team played at least three of the top 9 twice.


That's both arbitrary and untrue. Keep trying double oh, maybe you'll hit upon something correct at some point.

This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 7:27 am
Posted by DC RaiseHerBack
Member since Nov 2006
55445 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:04 am to
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Mike Anderson had one good year at UAB out of four and one good year at Missouri out of five.


Taking a team like UAB to the NIT very first year and the NCAAs the last 3 (with a sweet 16) is pretty damn remarkable considering where that program was.

Mizz went to the NCAAs 3 out of 5 (with an elite 8) and they were a meh program as well before him.


Your schedule argument is stupid as frick considering their total SOS and RPI at the end of the year. Keep smacking your gums, Double Oh.

ETA: He is also 1 out of 10 active coaches with 10 yrs of coaching or more, that's never had a losing season. Considering he's had to rebuild 3 dead programs, that's pretty damn respectable.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 8:17 am
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