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re: SEC superlatives in Omaha so far ....
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:57 pm to Allyn McKeen
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:57 pm to Allyn McKeen
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I played in the Pac8 from 72 through 76. There was no ASU. They joined in 1978. We had the northern schools (UW, WSU, UO, OSU) and the southern schools (Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA) at the time.
Whoa ... you're exactly correct! He snuck that one by me. Good catch.
ASU and SoCal won those eight years in a row before the regional format was instituted ... the west coast owned it back then thanks to the old format. But you're right, AZ St was a member of the WAC until '78.
That means no conference has dominated like the SEC is doing right now.
I'll change the wording in the post - thank you.
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 7:42 pm to scrooster
It looks like the SEC, if A&M wins, will set the record for most teams in Omaha.
Right now there is a three-way tie at four.
Right now there is a three-way tie at four.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 7:50 pm to ALT F4
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by ALT F4
Will South Carolina have any representation in Omaha this year?
Boo! Bad form! USC historically has a solid program
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 8:31 pm to scrooster
Pretty outstanding athletic conference with some of the worst officials in every single sport. 
Posted on 6/8/15 at 8:56 pm to tigerfan in bamaland
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Pretty outstanding athletic conference with some of the worst officials in every single sport.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:49 pm to scrooster
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before the regional format was instituted
How did it go before that?
And F4, don't be an arse. USC fans on here give LSU baseball more respect than anyone on here.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:51 pm to r2d2
Holbrook is their Smoke.
He has to go!
He has to go!
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:56 pm to boXerrumble
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Will LSU bats magically come out of their slump?
Looked pretty good late against ULL
6 runs in 3 innings
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:02 pm to Tiger Live2
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How did it go before that?
And F4, don't be an arse. USC fans on here give LSU baseball more respect than anyone on here.
I help to edit some of the wiki pages on the CWS, D1 baseball, etc.
Go here and scroll down to "previous formats."
The deck was stacked heavily in favor of west coast teams prior to '75. Not only the playoff format but schollie limits and the funding the west coast teams received ... SoCal in baseball was like Notre Dame in football prior to '75. They had twice the number of players on scholarship than did the rest of us.
FSU, Miami and SCAR started challenging the West Coast powers in the 70s and it started turning around shortly after that with the advent of the seeded, committee chosen, regional playoffs rather than the auto-qualifers based on overall records.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:02 pm to bishop
Holbrook is their Smoke.
He has to go!
He has to go!
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:16 pm to scrooster
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scrooster
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The deck was stacked heavily in favor of west coast teams prior to '75. Not only the playoff format but schollie limits and the funding the west coast teams received ... SoCal in baseball was like Notre Dame in football prior to '75. They had twice the number of players on scholarship than did the rest of us.
But it didn't seem to explain this.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:33 pm to Tiger Live2
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But it didn't seem to explain this.
Help me to better understand your question.
See, prior to '75, and I remember it well, there were eight districts. Each district made-up it's own rules for their selection process basically .... and they were all different.
There was no seeding so each of the four west coast districts, including the Texas district, would basically pick two teams, hold a double elimination playoff, and send the winner to Omaha.
The east coast districts would do it a little differently. The northeast typically just picked a team to send, one team, and sent them as an automatic qualifier based on their highest ranked team. The rest of us in the east would pick four teams by committee and then hold what is basically the same format as a regional format is today. The problem was seeding, where conference champs dominated and the great independent teams like SCAR, FSU and Miami were cold-shouldered by the conference powers many years. The ACC went to great lengths to block SCAR from the tourney (often sending Clemson instead) because we had departed the ACC in '71. But the ACC sent Clemson in '59 I think it was, when both SCAR and UNC were the better teams. So it was arbitrary like that - you could never make any sense of it.
In the early 70s the format begin to change - was forced to change. Miami, FSU and SCAR were threatening to sue to gain access to the tourney so the powers that be let them in, hoping to avoid losing a suit, and almost immediately all three teams made it to Omaha ... Miami and SCAR especially made waves and college baseball was changed forever.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:39 pm to scrooster
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There was no seeding so each of the four west coast districts, including the Texas district, would basically pick two teams, hold a double elimination playoff, and send the winner to Omaha.
That answered most of it, but how would USC have so many more scholarships?
While the Warren Morris shot was the first college game I saw on TV, I didn't really follow college baseball till the Super Regional format.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 10:50 pm to Tiger Live2
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That answered most of it, but how would USC have so many more scholarships?
While the Warren Morris shot was the first college game I saw on TV, I didn't really follow college baseball till the Super Regional format.
Funding
It wasn't about NCAA limitations back then ... it was about what a program could afford.
In 1967 Notre Dame, SoCal (not USC), Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Penn State, Nebraska and Alabama all had 225 scholarship players on their footballs teams.
Guess who won almost all the national championships for a twenty year period?
Same with basketball ... UCLA dominated, along with Notre Dame quite honestly, because they would sign people who would never play just to keep other programs from getting the players.
Baseball ... it was even worse. SoCal had a major major donor who funded nothing but baseball. While most teams in the 50s and 60s had little to no money to dedicate to baseball, SoCal and Texas had 30 full scholarships to give ... and still today we don't have that many thanks to Title IX.
Combine that with stacked regionals and limited entries and the west coast simply had everything in their favor ... along with the old SWC because of Texas' influence.
That all changed in the early 70s.
In the meantime ... another SEC superlative as follows:
The last conference to win a title in the old Blatt.
The first conference to win a title in the new T.D. Ameritrade.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 6:33 am to Henry Jones Jr
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IIRC, every SEC team, except Mizzou and Kentucky, has made it to the CWS the last 20 years
Cats shot was that crazy 21 inning game with the controversial game ender. They do nee to get over the hump tho.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 7:30 am to SFVtiger
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Will LSU bats magically come out of their slump?
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not magically. hopefully
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