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re: SEC Playoff scenario
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:11 pm to sms151t
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:11 pm to sms151t
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The system you are looking for is a playoff and best way to determine a entry to a playoff is each team to have the same criteria...and right now the best way is a conference championship.
So, you give the Sun Belt Champions equal bragging rights? Sorry.
The SEC generally has 5-6 teams that could contend for a National Championship, while the B1G generally has 2. (And sometimes only 1 tough team) I simply will not believe that a B1G team has it as tough as a SEC team in making the playoffs based on this.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 12:12 pm
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:12 pm to DawgsLife
They were unofficial playoff games. The winner of the iron bowl was the winner of the division. Bama failed to win that game. Same thing for the next week. If Mizzou had won the conference then they would have been in the title game. That's as close to a playoff scenario you can get without having the real thing. Do you really think bama or Mizzou should have been in the four team playoff after auburn beat them in their two most recent games?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:13 pm to DawgsLife
The Sun Belt is not an Auto Qualifier, so stop using that as an example. But if they went unbeaten they probably have a case. They would have probably beaten an SEC team along the way also on the road. You can not judge an entire conference when looking at this playoff, you judge each team on its own.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:21 pm to im4LSU
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Those fgs weren't chip shots. I think only one of them was less than 50 yards(43 or something).
Your memory is good. The field goals were :
44 Missed
50 Missed
52 Missed
49 (Blocked)
They were not kicked in this order. I would think the 44 yarder should have been made, though.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:26 pm to sms151t
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The Sun Belt is not an Auto Qualifier, so stop using that as an example.
True. but you are missing my point. not all conferences, whether they are qualifiers or not are created equally, are they? The B1G is weaker...shoot...ALL of them are weaker. I mean many think OSU is a very good team, but it doesn't take a whole lot to rack up impressive wins in that conference. Yet, they would make it before a second SEC team?
Hasn't the SEC beat up enough on OSU? quote:
They would have probably beaten an SEC team along the way also on the road.
Based on what?????
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You can not judge an entire conference when looking at this playoff, you judge each team on its own.
I got no problem with that. Do you go by schedules when you do this? If so then a SEC team would get the nod over some teams from weaker conferences. Or, I guess we could have more games like Alabama/Notre Dam and Georgia/Hawaii.
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:30 pm to DawgsLife
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Hasn't the SEC beat up enough on OSU?
Last time they played an SEC team was Sugar Bowl I believe.
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Based on what?????
Generally Sun Belt teams play SEC teams OOC on road or "Power conference" on road early
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Alabama/Notre Dam and Georgia/Hawaii
Or we could have Boise OU or Utah Alabama or TCU Wisconsin
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:31 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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They were unofficial playoff games.
No. They weren't. One was a regular season game and in any scenario would have been a regular season game.
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If Mizzou had won the conference then they would have been in the title game.
You are doing a whole lot of specualtion aren't you? Missouri was ranked #% when they played Auburn. Why do you think they would have jumped all the way up to #2?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:35 pm to DawgsLife
Wasnt MU ranked in top 4 in the SECCG? I thought they started the BCS pools as top team or close to it and people threw a fit.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:35 pm to sms151t
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Generally Sun Belt teams play SEC teams OOC on road or "Power conference" on road early
And the last time a Sun Belt team beat a SEC team?
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Last time they played an SEC team was Sugar Bowl I believe.
2011. Florida whipped them 24-17. Game wasn't as close as the score indicates. Alabama beat them, too, I believe. They DID squeek one out over Arkansas.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:37 pm to DawgsLife
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And the last time a Sun Belt team beat a SEC team?
What does that matter? We are talking about a single year for a playoff not history. You are relying on history for points that wont matter in the scenarios.
Everytime you have made a point I have given you a time where the SEC was not on top. It will not matter what history means during a single playoff looking to crown a NC, not the best team.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:37 pm to sms151t
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:41 pm to sms151t
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What does that matter?
It matters because you said a Sun Belt team probably would have beaten a SEC team along the way, unless I misunderstood your point. (Which is always a possibility since I am not sharpest knife in the drawer!)
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We are talking about a single year for a playoff not history. You are relying on history for points that wont matter in the scenarios.
Again...I am simply making the point that just because a team wins their conference does not make them one of the best 4 teams in the country. That is the point, isn't it? To get the very best teams in the playoff? The heck with people getting their feelings hurt because their conference is not represented. Give us the best 4 teams or there is no point in a playoff.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:42 pm to DawgsLife
We are not trying to find out who the best team is though, we are trying to crown a national champion. I think that is where people are making the mistake. They added a game to attempt to make sure best team is the NC.
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:43 pm to DawgsLife
It's not speculation. Mizzou was five headed into the championship game. Osu lost and if they beat auburn then they jump to #2. Yes I'm positive they would have jumped bama as well
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:44 pm to sms151t
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It will not matter what history means during a single playoff looking to crown a NC, not the best team.
So, you are not interested in finding the best team, or am I misunderstanding? Isn't the whole point to have the best 4 teams in the playoff, or is it to keep everyone's feelings soothed by having the biggest conferences represented?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:47 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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t's not speculation. Mizzou was five headed into the championship game. Osu lost and if they beat auburn then they jump to #2. Yes I'm positive they would have jumped bama as well
Why? Are you dismissing the fact that the two best teams just might have come from the SEC West? I'm not ready to make that assumption. if not for a great, unbelievable play, Alabama had a great chance of beating Auburn. Kudos for Auburn and their play, but Alabama played Auburn better than Missouri did. Nothing against Missouri, either. Great team and great game. but Bama took Auburn to the wire.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:48 pm to DawgsLife
Best way I can explain this probably...
Was Fresno best team when they won CWS? Was the Giants the best team when they beat NE in Glendale? Was UConn the best team this season? Was the Marlins the best team when they won the WS? Each won a playoff and each was named champion.
I think that is what the committee is trying to do, not figure out which team is the best always. Most likely the best of the best will be in it. But There has to be some way to sort them, and using championships to me is a critical way.
Was Fresno best team when they won CWS? Was the Giants the best team when they beat NE in Glendale? Was UConn the best team this season? Was the Marlins the best team when they won the WS? Each won a playoff and each was named champion.
I think that is what the committee is trying to do, not figure out which team is the best always. Most likely the best of the best will be in it. But There has to be some way to sort them, and using championships to me is a critical way.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:48 pm to sms151t
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We are not trying to find out who the best team is though, we are trying to crown a national champion.
WHAAAT? No. We are trying to crown the best team as the National Champion. That is the whole point of the games.
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They added a game to attempt to make sure best team is the NC.
Then that is where I am making a mistake, too. I always thought the point of having a National Champion is to find out who the best team is.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:50 pm to DawgsLife
Again though, the National Champion is not always the best team.
How do you figure out who is the best team? the ones with Best Coaches? Best Prospects? Best Offense? Best Defense?
I hope I am making sense.
How do you figure out who is the best team? the ones with Best Coaches? Best Prospects? Best Offense? Best Defense?
I hope I am making sense.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:52 pm to sms151t
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Best way I can explain this probably...
Was Fresno best team when they won CWS? Was the Giants the best team when they beat NE in Glendale? Was UConn the best team this season? Was the Marlins the best team when they won the WS? Each won a playoff and each was named champion.
I understand what you are saying, but you are mixing sports and levels of sports. In college football, the whole point is to find out who the best team is. That is why the make them #1. If you are not the best team how can you be #1?
In baseball (pro and college) it is the hot team that wins. For me, and I THINK for most fans, you try to find out who the best team is. Although, I now understand where you are coming from, and to a certain degree can ALMOST agree with your point.
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