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re: SEC Network: Friend or Foe
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:45 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:45 pm to Cheese Grits
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You are not taking into account non conference games.
I didn't put numbers in my post, but I was definitely thinking about them. So it's not 100 broadcast windows, it's still way more than 50. Probably closer to 80 or 85.
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:50 pm to ProjectP2294
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Basically, the SEC will be providing way more filler programming for all ESPN networks.
This would be the optimal situation but will it happen? If ESPN had say formed in Memphis and was staffed by lots of SEC alumni I would tend to agree, but they were founded by B1G folks and based out of the east coast, which is why I have doubts.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:52 pm to ProjectP2294
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Basically, the SEC will be providing way more filler programming for all ESPN networks.
Yeah, I 100% agree.
- if an ACC game is rained out, instead of re-airing some spring game for the 74th time, they can put on a live SEC game
- if you get to the final weekend of the season and had two SEC teams that were having disappointing seasons, just switch to another game
- if LSU is throwing a no-hitter midweek, you can break into that game
By not needing to schedule a production crew for games and owning them all (instead of people like Sun or FSN or CSS), you really do give ESPN a ton more flexibility to fill in potential dead air or highlight the SEC
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:02 pm to tmc94
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By not needing to schedule a production crew for games and owning them all (instead of people like Sun or FSN or CSS), you really do give ESPN a ton more flexibility to fill in potential dead air or highlight the SEC
Which is why I think Notre Dame went to the ACC. ESPN may not have football 100% for they Irish but what they did lock down was everything else. Irish have a prebuilt national brand and I have a sinking feeling ESPN will be happy to exploit it. Wasn't it the Irish who invested heavily on local production capacity like 2 - 4 years ago?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:03 pm to Cheese Grits
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Production is not the same as the pipeline
no it isn't, and that wasn't my point, which is pretty clear as I stated, ESPN can put a better product on the air than most other producers, and that goes double for most of the little regional and in house jobs.
To your point, ATT and Dish are the choices now but that will change, Comcast is far too heavily vested in the SEC footprint to cede such an advantage to a competitor. The same applies to Charter, AOL and other SEC state carriers. The business is theirs to lose, which is exactly what will happen if they don't play ball with the SECN/ESPN.
SEC fans outside of the footprint may have a tougher time of it, but I will be surprised if FIOS and Google don't wind up signing on before long either.
For many in rural America, a satellite dish is still the only real option anyway. If you mistook my post as confusing a carrier with a production studio, I apologize, but I am very clear on the difference. For neophytes an explanation like this may help, the source content quality is the key to the beginning of a good broadcast product, if you have the best digital carrier in the world and the source product sucks, then you will wind up with a high quality signal, crystal clear picture of something that sucks. You can't short change the start of the process and that is what the SECN is attempting to insure with the ESPN partnership.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:05 pm to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:11 pm to tmc94
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Google has already signed on
the dominoes, they begin to fall..
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:11 pm to Jagd Tiger
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If you mistook my post as confusing a carrier with a production studio, I apologize, but I am very clear on the difference.
Not saying you specifically, just that lately some folks don't seem to understand the difference. While you or I may follow this or realignment closely, it is almost the opposite in the mainstream. While humbling to you or I, we are in the vast minority.
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For many in rural America, a satellite dish is still the only real option anyway.
Agree, but metro populations are where the big numbers are. If say MO is 6 million folks, subtract the KC MSA and the STL MSA and what is left of that 6 million? Without even looking I am going to guess under 50% and maybe closer to 25%. Rural trailer parks may exist, but there just may not be that much to add up to a big number.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:15 pm to tmc94
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how many soccer games do you normally have aired? And is that just local Fox Sports?
Last year in the regular season we had 6 on Sun and 3 on ESPNU.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:32 pm to bgator85
Not sure what you are counting as "regular" season (SEC Tourney?) but it looks like y'all had 2 ESPNU, 2 FOX, and 1 CSS game plus the SEC championship game on ESPNU. If you had another 6 on Sun then you are right, you are probably going to lose a few games that will be digital vs cable. But you'll gain 5-6 national games vs regional only.
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2013?Women’s Soccer Television Schedule (All Times Eastern)
Date Day Game Network Time
Sept. 29 Sunday Tennessee at Alabama CSS 2:00 p.m.
Sunday Florida at Missouri ESPNU 2:00 p.m.
Sunday Georgia at Kentucky CSS 6:00 p.m.
Oct. 4 Friday Missouri at Vanderbilt FOX 8:00 p.m.
Oct. 6 Sunday Auburn at Florida CSS 2:00 p.m.
Sunday Kentucky at Vanderbilt FOX 2:00 p.m.
Sunday South Carolina at Tennessee ESPNU 3:00 p.m.
Oct. 18 Friday Kentucky at Florida FOX 6:30 p.m.
Oct. 20 Sunday LSU at Florida FOX 1:00 p.m.
Sunday Mississippi State at Vanderbilt CSS 2:00 p.m.
Sunday Texas A&M at Georgia ESPNU 3:00 p.m.
Oct. 27 Sunday Georgia at Arkansas CSS 2:00 p.m.
Sunday Alabama at Ole Miss FOX 2:00 p.m.
Sunday Texas A&M at Florida ESPNU 3:00 p.m.
Nov. 10 Sunday SEC Tournament Championship ESPNU 2:00 p.m.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:46 pm to tmc94
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tmc94
What is not being discussed is the FOX stuff already out there that probably goes away with ESPN getting full control. I catch lots of secondary SEC stuff on FOX for free as late adds, rebroadcast, or spot fillers. I would hate to lose that access if ESPN no longer does that with FOX.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:50 pm to cardboardboxer
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I mean, is anyone ok with the SEC making less money per team than the B1G, B12, and PAC?
would not be the case, and wouldn't care if it was
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Because that would be the case if the SEC was still under the 2009 contract without any expansion look-ins.
Sure, SEC was doing terrible before expansion. Without expansion SEC would gladly take 2009 money in 2014 negotiations.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:07 pm to cardboardboxer
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I mean, is anyone ok with the SEC making less money per team than the B1G, B12, and PAC?
SEC will easily outstrip the B12 so not really worried
PAC has done their deal and SEC will be ahead at first. The question will be on the back end when PAC has built it out and owns it all. Getting both carriage and ad revenue.
B1G will be the one who stays closest. They have a big chunk renew in 2015 I think and they will have the benefit of negotiating AFTER all the other deals have been done. They also capture a chunk of the ad revenue generated by the BTN and that could are significant dollars as that deal goes forward. On carriage they also have the luxury of being #1 in each state and they have some big population states.
Top 10 population states
#5 IL : monopoly with Illinois and Northwestern
#6 PA : near monopoly with Penn State
#7 OH : virtual monopoly with Ohio State
#9 MI ; monopoly with Michigan and Michigan State
Top 20 population states
#11 NJ : Rutgers is only Big 5 school in state
#16 IN : near monopoly with Indiana and Purdue
#19 MD : Terps are only big 5 school in state
#20 WI : monopoly with Wisconsin
Top 30 population states
#21 MN : monopoly with Minnesota
#30 IA : split between Iowa and Iowa State
Top 40 population states
#37 NE : monopoly with Nebraska
Top 50 population states
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:30 pm to tmc94
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Not sure what you are counting as "regular" season (SEC Tourney?) but it looks like y'all
I was counting non-conference games as well. We had 3 non conference games on Sun, 3 conference games on Sun, plus 2 on ESPNU and an additional on CSS.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:46 pm to nc14
All current ppv football games could be watched on espn3 for SEC.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:09 pm to bona fide
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would not be the case
It would be the case.
The 2009 contract brought each SEC team less than $20 million a year total in TV money, which is right now behind the PAC, B1G and Big 12. It seemed like a huge contract at that time, then the money for college football exploded soon afterwards while the SEC was stuck with the old crappy contract. Worst mistake of Slive's career, so he fixed it with expansion.
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wouldn't care if it was
When an average B1G program can afford better facilities than mid-tier SEC teams you would care. The money matters.
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Without expansion SEC would gladly take 2009 money in 2014 negotiations.
You don't get it.
Without expansion there is no "2014 negotiations." Period.
The original 2009 deal was for 15 years:
Crappy SEC 2009 Deal
So without expansion to force "look ins" for that contract, the SEC is stuck taking below market value money for a long long time.
I know you hate expansion, but at some point you have to realize that without it the SEC was going to fall behind monetarily.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:15 pm to Cheese Grits
I was more commenting that without the contract look-ins forced by expansion, the SEC would have been stuck with a crappy 2009 deal that pays less per team than what the B1G, Big 12 or PAC gets in their newer contracts.
The PAC contract after expansion really exploded the market for college football. The SEC made a 15 year deal right before the boom, which was a huge mistake. Expansion look-ins are contractually forcing market value for at least what ESPN has (tier 2 and now tier 3) and ESPN intends to pay that via a 50-50 split on the SEC Network. CBS didn't want to pay more, so they gave up rights after expansion they once had before expansion which will help the SEC Network.
Bottom line without expansion the SEC was kinda fricked when it came to money. The SEC Network will fix that and put the league above the B1G in five years I think.
The PAC contract after expansion really exploded the market for college football. The SEC made a 15 year deal right before the boom, which was a huge mistake. Expansion look-ins are contractually forcing market value for at least what ESPN has (tier 2 and now tier 3) and ESPN intends to pay that via a 50-50 split on the SEC Network. CBS didn't want to pay more, so they gave up rights after expansion they once had before expansion which will help the SEC Network.
Bottom line without expansion the SEC was kinda fricked when it came to money. The SEC Network will fix that and put the league above the B1G in five years I think.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:08 am to cardboardboxer
Friend.
I'm looking forward to a channel that minimizes the time I have to suffer though B1G, ACC, PAC and Big12 segments. My thumb gets sore from hitting fast foward so much.
I'm looking forward to a channel that minimizes the time I have to suffer though B1G, ACC, PAC and Big12 segments. My thumb gets sore from hitting fast foward so much.
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