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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by Vecchio Cane
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:24 pm to
"Better" public, state universities? Wow, I bet you love to argue "Best beer" or " Best Blue Jeans".

What is a state college undergrad degree worth these days, from anywhere?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:25 pm to
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Who do you think has better Universities? Alabama or Mississippi?
Alabama. Who has better Universities, Alabama or Texas?
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:27 pm to
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Alabama.


Mississippi schools cater to their state population for enrollment and at the same time dont have the student population to support two major universities.

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Who has better Universities, Alabama or Texas?


Texas has the population of qualified students to support more than two major schools, which is evident by the major universities in the state.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:30 pm to
If you are telling me that Alabama does not have the population to sustain its universities, than you are telling me yall are wasting state funding and should shut some universities down.


And I would agree. Our state has that issue with some of our schools.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:30 pm to
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Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:30 pm to
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Then decrease the enrollment. It makes absolutely no sense for a state funded school to not predominantly educate in state students.




Arkansas is approaching a majority OOS student body. Freshman classes already are majority OOS. The benefit is putting degree-holders on the doorstep of growing local companies. The state of Arkansas doesn't produce enough college graduates as it is to fill the jobs we're producing these days.

We're essentially stealing good people from other states when we get that whatever percentage it is that sticks around.

I'm for it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:31 pm to
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We're essentially stealing good people from other states when we get that whatever percentage it is that sticks around.
I bet yall are losing money in terms of scholarships given out, to retaining said students.
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:33 pm to
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I bet yall are losing money in terms of scholarships given out, to retaining said students.


None of the OOS students get "in-state tuition". They get a reduced rate, less than full OOS if they meet higher academic standards.

The infrastructure at the university is already largely in place. The private sector is housing most of them, which is obvious when you drive around Fayetteville and see the big apartment blocks that have sprung up in recent years.

I doubt the state is losing a dime on its OOS population.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:36 pm to
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I doubt the state is losing a dime on its OOS population.
Are they not giving scholarships to entice OOS students to attend? Look man, LSU and Arky get raped losing its top talent to the state of Texas.
Posted by Numberwang
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:39 pm to
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Are they not giving scholarships to entice OOS students to attend?


Those who meet higher academic requirements get a "tuition break" from OOS prices. That's a scholarship, I guess.

Then they pay rent at $700/person and spend money living here, for at least as long as they are in school.

Out of state students have started tech and retail companies in Fayetteville, including the frat-bro Fayettechill Clothing Co.

It's an investment. We have a booming local economy that needs educated workers. The state unemployment rate is at a record low.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:45 pm to
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Those who meet higher academic requirements get a "tuition break" from OOS prices. That's a scholarship, I guess.

Then they pay rent at $700/person and spend money living here, for at least as long as they are in school.

Out of state students have started tech and retail companies in Fayetteville, including the frat-bro Fayettechill Clothing Co.

It's an investment. We have a booming local economy that needs educated workers. The state unemployment rate is at a record low.
I just feel you will get gutted the same way we did in this effort.


Texas students who cant quite get into A&M or UT come to a fun SEC schools for 4 years, than bounce back to Texas because it has 10000x the opportunities that Arky or Louisiana does.
Posted by TailbackU
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:49 pm to
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University of Alabama


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University of Phoenix


Like Batman and Bruce Wayne

Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:54 pm to
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If you are telling me that Alabama does not have the population to sustain its universities, than you are telling me yall are wasting state funding and should shut some universities down.


What?

Bigger universities are able to become better academic institutions, that almost fact in every case. Every university in a state's primary goal is not to just educate people of the state. It is also a method to attract people to the state and bring revenue from outside.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94954 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:56 pm to
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Every university in a state's primary goal is not to just educate people of the state. It is also a method to attract people to the state and bring revenue from outside.
It is to educate and retain said educated masses to that said state. The Georgia students that go to Auburn are going back to Georgia, and the students who are going to Bama to be part of the Championship party are going back to their state......


I am not trying to just shite talk Bama/AU, LSU has its share of fricked up practices
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:00 pm to
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bounce back to Texas because it has 10000x the opportunities that Arky or Louisiana does.


Yeah, most do. We have a unique situation in that our university is located in a rapidly growing metro with lots of white collar corporate jobs and a high QOL. They don't even have to leave Fayetteville to start their careers.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30202 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:04 pm to
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None of the OOS students get "in-state tuition". They get a reduced rate, less than full OOS if they meet higher academic standards.
Same at Alabama.
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The infrastructure at the university is already largely in place. The private sector is housing most of them, which is obvious when you drive around Fayetteville and see the big apartment blocks that have sprung up in recent years.
We've had huge expansion, renovation, and revitalization in student housing, retail, entertainment, student amenities, and the entire campus including the outskirts of campus has improved tremendously in the last 10 yrs.

As an alum and current parent of a soon to be grad student at UA, I've seen no drawbacks with the enrollment growth and overall campus growth.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50288 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:15 pm to
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Meanwhile, A&M is trying to become the fallback school for East Coast kids by heavily advertising in places like Washington, D.C.


Nothing wrong with recruiting out of state or out of the country. It is valuable to have that diversity. A&M is still heavily in state by a very large margin.

The top out of Texas cities our grads live are:
1. San Fran
2. Washington DC
3. New York
4. Denver
5. LA

However Alabama has more out of state than in state. That, to me, is way passed the point of a state university.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50288 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:16 pm to
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Texas because it has 10000x the opportunities that Arky or Louisiana does.


When you're right, you're right.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94954 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:20 pm to
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They don't even have to leave Fayetteville to start their careers.
Fayetville is my second favorite SEC town to Athens. I love it there. Just doesnt seem big enough to ever truly be considered a town that can retain college graduates in numbers that are material..
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:31 pm to
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Just doesnt seem big enough to ever truly be considered a town that can retain college graduates in numbers that are material..


Really? I mean maybe you are right depending on what your comparisons would be but that area in the country is one of the fastest growing. I guess we will have to see when it peaks.
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