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re: Scary thought: Alabama should be significantly better offensively next season
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:52 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:52 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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That's 4 of 6 TDs that Jalen basically had nothing to do with.
Granted, but you asserted that we won "in spite" of Hurts. Given the margin of victory, it goes without saying that the 2 TDs that are attributable to Hurts' performance were neccessary, as without them, Bama would have lost the game.
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:52 pm to Triple Daves
Some people (Hemp) know how to provide substance to their arguments, and again, provide counterpoints.
His last post presented a better argument than you put together in 20 posts yesterday.
His last post presented a better argument than you put together in 20 posts yesterday.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:53 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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His last post presented a better argument than you put together in 20 posts yesterday.
Yea - you really won the "field goals aren't really offensive points because it means the offense was a big failure" discussion.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:55 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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If what I said was untrue, provide a counterpoint.
well, on here it's easier to say someone is dumb or downvote than present a logical counter-argument.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:56 pm to HempHead
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Down 24-3 with a TD that was a direct result of his turnover, and he led the team to go ahead. Give me a fricking break. He's not a world-beater by any stretch, as our vertical game is pretty sorry, but to underestimate his composure or his 'being tested' is laughable.
I never underestimated his composure.. just said he hasn't been tested. ole miss defense is not exactly world class and just because Hurts was under center does not mean he "lead the team the go ahead."
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:57 pm to Bench McElroy
How can that be?
What with Saban going to Texas and Kiffen to Miss State?
What with Saban going to Texas and Kiffen to Miss State?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:57 pm to Brosef Stalin17
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just said he hasn't been tested
Alright, I think I see our point of contention. What qualifies as 'being tested' to you?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:59 pm to HempHead
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Granted, but you asserted that we won "in spite" of Hurts. Given the margin of victory, it goes without saying that the 2 TDs that are attributable to Hurts' performance were neccessary, as without them, Bama would have lost the game.
True, but while he was responsible for 2 touchdowns, he was also responsible for 1 Ole Miss touchdown.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:03 pm to HempHead
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Alright, I think I see our point of contention. What qualifies as 'being tested' to you?
IMO, facing a good pass rush and good pass defense. Hurts really hasn't faced much of either yet. Had Tennessee not been missing half their defense, that would have provided a solid test, but as it stands, Hurts hasn't really had to do that yet. LSU and Auburn should tell us a lot about him in that regard, although he is a true freshman, so I'm not going to say he sucks if he struggles.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:06 pm to Bench McElroy
Meh we hear this every season. Hurts really needs to develop as a QB. I wonder if our reliance on him running the ball hamstrings that at times.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:06 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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True, but while he was responsible for 2 touchdowns, he was also responsible for 1 Ole Miss touchdown.
Although I would honestly place the blame for that on whoever was responsible for the edge rusher, I can't disagree with you.
But my point still stands. Without those TDs, it would have been a loss. You literally can't say the win was in spite of Hurts.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:06 pm to lsufball19
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IMO, facing a good pass rush and good pass defense. Hurts really hasn't faced much of either yet. Had Tennessee not been missing half their defense, that would have provided a solid test, but as it stands, Hurts hasn't really had to do that yet. LSU and Auburn should tell us a lot about him in that regard, although he is a true freshman, so I'm not going to say he sucks if he struggles.
Texas A&M is 12th in sacks per game nationally and 32nd in pass rating against.
LSU is 27th in sacks per game nationally and 25th in pass rating against.
Auburn is 42nd in sacks per game nationally and 22nd in pass rating against
So, while I think LSU and Auburn are better in pass defense all around than Texas A&M, A&M is comparable. Especially with the pass rush.
Hurts might make mistakes, he might not throw well, but at this point I'm pretty stone cold positive he won't be intimidated or taken out of his game against anybody.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:07 pm to Rhino5
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Not with Kiffin gone.
That was my first thought before I opened the thread.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:08 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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WilliamTaylor21
I don't know why you are harping on Triple Daves...I think he brings more non-bias and good opinions to discussions vs trolls that most posters here do. He's one of the good ones...don't run him off.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:10 pm to HempHead
I wasn't trying to argue that he is not a good ball player, or that he wasn't an important part of any of bama's wins.
To me, a true test for a quarterback is having to carry his team in a close game against a top tier defense. The amount of confidence one builds when their team comes out on top in such a situation could be the turning point in their career - with Hurts, maybe he is able to make the deep throw with more consistency.
You said Hurts struggles with that currently, and I doubt it is because he has never mad the throw before - he just has not made that type of throw consistently while starting for Bama.
To me, a true test for a quarterback is having to carry his team in a close game against a top tier defense. The amount of confidence one builds when their team comes out on top in such a situation could be the turning point in their career - with Hurts, maybe he is able to make the deep throw with more consistency.
You said Hurts struggles with that currently, and I doubt it is because he has never mad the throw before - he just has not made that type of throw consistently while starting for Bama.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:11 pm to HempHead
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You literally can't say the win was in spite of Hurts.
I'll concede that "in spite of" was the wrong phrase there
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:14 pm to Brosef Stalin17
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You said Hurts struggles with that currently, and I doubt it is because he has never mad the throw before - he just has not made that type of throw consistently while starting for Bama.
Agreed. If a team can effectively stop the run with 6 or 7 in the box, have disciplined secondary for outside rushes and short passes, and force Hurts to make downfield throws - I think this is the only recipe to effectively stop the Bama O and is easier said than done. With that in mind, if someone CAN do that, I'm not sure that we can move the ball unless Hurts' vertical lights turn on.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:16 pm to HempHead
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If a team can effectively stop the run with 6 or 7 in the box, have disciplined secondary for outside rushes and short passes, and force Hurts to make downfield throws - I think this is the only recipe to effectively stop the Bama O and is easier said than done.
Yep - 100% agree.
I think that's a really, really tough task though the way our offensive line is blocking and with the assortment of runs we have for Hurts and the backs.
However, that will be tested against LSU and Auburn. If Hurts is forced to sit in the pocket and win by picking apart a secondary chances are not very good for us. I'm just not sure it's going to be very easy to make us do that.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:18 pm to GIbson05
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Even more interesting considering it's made up...
We're not going to fire a OC like Kiffin, that just helped win a NC, because he gets on twitter too much..
I think he's insinuating that he's been banging coeds. I think I even remember a rumor if him nailing a booster's wife.
Kiffin is fine. It's Freshwater that gets into trouble. And since he's single now, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on a tear.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:20 pm to CCTider
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Kiffin is fine. It's Freshwater that gets into trouble. And since he's single now, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on a tear.
I haven't seen him at any of the drinking establishments around town or at work - I think he does his poonhunting in the Ham.
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