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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:32 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:32 pm to Irons Puppet
He has always talked out of both sides of his mouth
Nothing new
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:33 pm to piggidyphish
Go down what road? thats not my opinion; it's objective fact. And we don't know where it stops, but the argument that it "should just stay the same, because the fans love football" is likely not going to hold much water in light of recent medical revelations about the longterm effect football has on players. And the nfl and the ncaa recognize this. And while concussions are the main focus, as you point out,, the lawsuits are not "about concussions" so much as they are about providing an acceptable level of medical care to active and retired players, which could conceivably be astronomically expensive, enough to change the game we all love in some profound ways.
Again, I'm not arguing for changing anything. Just posting some observations about the larger trends in the game of football. Those lawsuits, and the medical revelations which have led to them, have everything to do with it.
You can surely see why an en vogue style of play whose stated philosophy is to extend the number of plays in a game might not square with this, right?
Again, I'm not arguing for changing anything. Just posting some observations about the larger trends in the game of football. Those lawsuits, and the medical revelations which have led to them, have everything to do with it.
You can surely see why an en vogue style of play whose stated philosophy is to extend the number of plays in a game might not square with this, right?
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Funny, he never whined so much when he was at LSU.
Maybe Bama's fan base is rubbing off on him - I understand they like to do that to people.
Hilariously ironic.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:35 pm to Teague
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I don't like 72-68 games.
Bama currently averages 64, are those 4-8 plays that horrendous?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:35 pm to Teague
quote:To pretend this is the norm of HUNH is silly.
I don't like 72-68 games.
quote:Not really. They use strategy to say our 11 can play faster and outlast your 11. We can be more organized and better than your response can be.
The HUNH just tries to cheap shot the defense before they're ready.
quote:Me too. That is why the HUNH is interesting to me.
I like football as a play-by-play game of chess and skill.
quote:I disagree, it just alters what skills are more valued. It is a different chess strategy than what has been traditional. However, what is now the traditional form of football that you enjoy was innovative at one time too.
The HUNH takes some of that away (when it works).
I'm ok with people preferring one strategy over another. It makes sense. Let us just not pretend the issue is really about player safety
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:37 pm to DocEllis
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DocEllis
are you in favor of banning Blitzing? would stop far more injuries than the HUNH
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:37 pm to Funky Tide 8
You took that hook
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:37 pm to WDE24
YUP BAMA 42 MALZHAN'S OFFENSE 0.
YUP
YUP
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:38 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Very intelligent and accurate post. 
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:38 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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YUP BAMA 42 MALZHAN'S OFFENSE 0. YUP
so much fail
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:42 pm to NYCAuburn
I already said I'm not arguing to change anything. But first of all, it is highly questionable whether what you've said is true, but if the data showed that it was, I could certainly see it becoming restricted in some ways, just like I could see the game shortened in the way we're discussing in this thread.
The threat of player safety issues changing the game is real. I understand why you're defensive on this particular issue given the system AU runs but it is naive to ignore this fact. The status quo is unlikely to remain unchanged, as we've already started to see.
The threat of player safety issues changing the game is real. I understand why you're defensive on this particular issue given the system AU runs but it is naive to ignore this fact. The status quo is unlikely to remain unchanged, as we've already started to see.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:42 pm to NYCAuburn
Bookmarking this thread.
You HUNH proponents arguing that it's within the rules so it's fine and it's a part of the game better not start bitching when more and more minor injuries start occuring on big 3rd downs. It's just a strategic move by the defense to counter the Hurry up.
Personally I love the HUNH, and I love the fact that legally you can spend years perfecting it and I can just tell my 5th best lineman to go in there for 2 plays until his ankle cramps up and get us time to adjust our defense.
If we don't want you to run 90 plays a game we can stop it.
You HUNH proponents arguing that it's within the rules so it's fine and it's a part of the game better not start bitching when more and more minor injuries start occuring on big 3rd downs. It's just a strategic move by the defense to counter the Hurry up.
Personally I love the HUNH, and I love the fact that legally you can spend years perfecting it and I can just tell my 5th best lineman to go in there for 2 plays until his ankle cramps up and get us time to adjust our defense.
If we don't want you to run 90 plays a game we can stop it.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:44 pm to JB Bama
So you think faking an injury is a part of football in the same way not huddling is a part of football?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I mean I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Auburn and Ole Miss people are all about this. It's the only way they can compete.
obvious troll. Have a short memory dont you? I forgot that football started for LSU post 90s for you. AU never was competive with a stingy defense? 
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:46 pm to WDE24
Everyone raised hell when teams went from the wishbone/option to the pro style as well. "Those Miami thugs down there are playing pussy ghetto football." "Just throwing the ball up in the air every play to see who is fastest."
I would bet over time Malzahn dials back the hurry up concept a little bit once he realizes his defense can't stay on the field 40 minutes a game. His actual play calling style is mostly power runs up the middle, which works great. I highly doubt he will play HUNH all game every game though. Going from an OC to a HC is like going from a senator to a President. You begin to realize that a lot of the things you wanted to do in your old role are not practical in your new role.
I would bet over time Malzahn dials back the hurry up concept a little bit once he realizes his defense can't stay on the field 40 minutes a game. His actual play calling style is mostly power runs up the middle, which works great. I highly doubt he will play HUNH all game every game though. Going from an OC to a HC is like going from a senator to a President. You begin to realize that a lot of the things you wanted to do in your old role are not practical in your new role.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:47 pm to DocEllis
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Go down what road
You're making the HUNH issue akin to concussion issue.
I think that confuses the issue and if you start making it about player safety from that level then you're really opening a door for more radical changes.
My point...the player safety issue isn't about concussions. And to try to trump it up as being about that is a weak argument...and if that is your point then why not make a change that could really do something about it, as opposed to griping about HUNH (i'm talking about saban here, not you).
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:48 pm to WDE24
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So you think faking an injury is a part of football in the same way not huddling is a part of football?
Not at all, I think there are injuries on just about every play, and I'd tell my guys that we ought to be more careful and if they feel the speed of the game is getting to them and that ankle is starting to hurt then lets get it looked at.
Safety first after all.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:49 pm to Monticello
quote:He wants to play as fast as possible and get as many plays as possible, but has admitted that he still has to manage the entire game and can't always go fast.
I highly doubt he will play HUNH all game every game though.
He isn't a dumb guy and a lot will depend on how competent his defense is and if his offense can produce a first down or two. he usually doesn't go into his full hurry up until after a first down.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:50 pm to DocEllis
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But first of all, it is highly questionable whether what you've said is true,
I'd say what I said is more than likely to be true that what you are saying with plays.
look at it like this. one directly results in blindsided, hard, fast hits. whereas the other might have a reaction because of possible fatigue
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I understand why you're defensive on this particular issue given the system AU
has nothing to do with it
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but it is naive to ignore this fact
I think its naïve to take up for everything your coach says as gospel(not personally directed at you)
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:50 pm to JB Bama
So then your answer is yes.
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