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re: Saban: It's virtually impossible to come up with a defensive scheme to stop RPOs
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:05 am to BowlJackson
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:05 am to BowlJackson
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It's official. The game has passed up Saban. Either you get rid of him after this season while your program is in tact or you slowly go the way of Joe Pa and Bobby Bowden
RIP Bama
It's a shame Auburn didn't try running some RPOs last season when Bama pasted their asses, and the rest of the SEC for that matter.
Saban has won 7 SEC titles, having coached in the SEC for 15 seasons. Here's to finally getting up to the .500 mark this year.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 9:07 am
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:07 am to Bench McElroy
Assuming their QB reads and executes every play correctly, he is 100% correct that there is no real tactical solution.
Now ... that assumption is usually a bad one at the college level. That's why pressuring the QB as often as possible is a great idea at this level. You can pretty much count on college QB's getting rattled with a few hits and pressure on nearly every play.
That's the only thing I can think of. Get the QB out of the comfort zone. You're not playing against Tom Brady here.
Now ... that assumption is usually a bad one at the college level. That's why pressuring the QB as often as possible is a great idea at this level. You can pretty much count on college QB's getting rattled with a few hits and pressure on nearly every play.
That's the only thing I can think of. Get the QB out of the comfort zone. You're not playing against Tom Brady here.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:09 am to FourThreeForty
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It's simple how to stop the RPO. All out blitz EVERY PLAY.
Bingo. Great minds think alike 4340.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:10 am to teamjackson
quote:This ^^
Did not see anything where he said it was virtually impossible.
It was more of a "I can't be bothered" type of thing.
There are more important fish to fry in Bama's camp right now.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:11 am to TxTiger82
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TxTiger82
Assuming their QB reads and executes every play correctly, he is 100% correct that there is no real tactical solution.
Now ... that assumption is usually a bad one at the college level. That's why pressuring the QB as often as possible is a great idea at this level. You can pretty much count on college QB's getting rattled with a few hits and pressure on nearly every play.
That's the only thing I can think off. Get the QB out of the comfort zone. You're not playing against Tom Brady here.
All very fair points. Honestly, the defensive brute force approach in the RPO style of game is to put more defensive speed on the field than the offense. Even then, the defense WILL give up explosive plays if the offense does their job. And if they have a player like Watson... you just might be in trouble.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:13 am to iglass
Agreed. With a QB like Watson, you aren't going to stop the offense. Just try to limit its point production and outscore it with your own offense.
Honestly, it has to be frustrating to a coach like Saban who has dedicated his career to defensive strategy and tactics. I know I would be frustrated. But I also appreciate his candor. I don't think the game has passed him by. I think he's fully aware of what it takes to win right now.
Honestly, it has to be frustrating to a coach like Saban who has dedicated his career to defensive strategy and tactics. I know I would be frustrated. But I also appreciate his candor. I don't think the game has passed him by. I think he's fully aware of what it takes to win right now.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:20 am to TxTiger82
quote:I don't think NS is frustrated, I think he likes the challenge.
Agreed. With a QB like Watson, you aren't going to stop the offense. Just try to limit its point production and outscore it with your own offense.
Honestly, it has to be frustrating to a coach like Saban who has dedicated his career to defensive strategy and tactics. I know I would be frustrated. But I also appreciate his candor. I don't think the game has passed him by. I think he's fully aware of what it takes to win right now.
Football is a sport that evolves and as long as Coach views the evolution as a challenge, he won't get bored and start contemplating lake life and grandkids as more interesting alternatives.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:23 am to TxTiger82
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Just try to limit its point production and outscore it with your own offense.
That was Bama's problem in the title game. We were just a clusterfrick on offense all night.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:25 am to TxTiger82
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Honestly, it has to be frustrating to a coach like Saban who has dedicated his career to defensive strategy and tactics. I know I would be frustrated.
Think of the rest of college football and the fans though.
What fun is it really, to see the same teams win everything, year after year after year?
You know the teams from states that produce a lot of talent (though honestly Alabama actually has kind of overperformed).
Clemson broke through this past year. They had a great team, but they definitely didn't have as much talent as Alabama at most positions.
So if the current state of affairs every changes, what is the fanbase in general supposed to do? Be happy with seeing Florida, FSU, Georgia (hypothetically), A&M (again hypothetically), Texas, maybe Miami, with Ohio State sneaking in to win a title every now and then?
Because that's where it would go if you take this particular equalizer away at this time.
I know the board I'm on. I left Alabama off that list for a reason. Namely that Saban at Georgia, Saban at Texas (or A&M), Saban at one of the Florida's, beats Saban at Alabama. Just simple math and the way recruiting works.
Same story with LSU. Coaching being equal, even that catbird seat isn't as good as the other schools I mentioned.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:30 am to iglass
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All very fair points. Honestly, the defensive brute force approach in the RPO style of game is to put more defensive speed on the field than the offense. Even then, the defense WILL give up explosive plays if the offense does their job. And if they have a player like Watson... you just might be in trouble
You really cannot defend a RPO if the QB is an excellent decision maker. There are so many variables that can confuse and freeze the defense just for a second, and that's all it takes.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:35 am to Sunbeam
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I left Alabama off that list for a reason. Namely that Saban at Georgia, Saban at Texas (or A&M), Saban at one of the Florida's, beats Saban at Alabama.
Now you went full retard
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:38 am to 14&Counting
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Now you went full retard
Nope.
Assume for the moment Saban had gone to Texas instead of Charlie Strong.
You trying to tell me that you can recruit better at Alabama as opposed to Texas, all other things being equal?
Do you think Alabama is a better recruiting situation than Georgia, Florida, or Texas A&M?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:42 am to Bench McElroy
He isn't whining, he's just talking about the game today. Hell, at the end he says it is what it is and we've adapted. But his entire life is built around defense and so of course this is kind of a kick in the pants to him and what he likes. But unlike most stubborn arse coaches he decided he had to adapt to stay in the game, and so he did it, whether he liked it or not.
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“If they’re not willing to change that…,” Saban said with his voice trailing off as he shrugged. “But on the other hand, it's exciting. We score like 40 more points a game than what we used to. Our 2011 team gave up eight points a game. The best defense in the country gives up twice that now and it's going to continue to go that way. It’s very difficult to play defensive football when you can't key the difference between runs and passes."
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:44 am to Sunbeam
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You trying to tell me that you can recruit better at Alabama as opposed to Texas, all other things being equal? Do you think Alabama is a better recruiting situation than Georgia, Florida, or Texas A&M?
Alabama still produces an inordinate amount of football talent. I haven't seen anything lately but we still have a majority in state kids. While its true a state like say Texas produces a high volume of players, there is a finite amount you can sign. Further, there is LOT more to being successful as a program than geographic location. Otherwise, why hasn't Texas A&M won more?, or Texas? or Georgia? Why is Miami a joke now?
Bama as program is far superior to those I just named.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:59 am to Chimlim
quote:Everything has to click on offense. A seasoned, experienced Oline is paramount + a QB that is an excellent decision maker and willing to take off and run to make something happen when other avenues breakdown. It ALL has to click in place when facing SEC caliber defenses.
You really cannot defend a RPO if the QB is an excellent decision maker. There are so many variables that can confuse and freeze the defense just for a second, and that's all it takes.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:04 am to RT1941
Yea, my guess is he's talking about teams who run RPO's with an excellent QB who can make great reads and good throws.
As has been mentioned over and over, Alabama doesn't struggle with "the no huddle". Alabama struggles with great QBs running the no huddle (as does almost everyone else).
If a QB is locked in and making great reads and throws with the RPO system, the only way to stop it is to get super quick pressure and force quick decisions. We did that with Watson for a half, but as our offense stalled and the defense got a little bit tired, he had just enough time and he killed us.
As has been mentioned over and over, Alabama doesn't struggle with "the no huddle". Alabama struggles with great QBs running the no huddle (as does almost everyone else).
If a QB is locked in and making great reads and throws with the RPO system, the only way to stop it is to get super quick pressure and force quick decisions. We did that with Watson for a half, but as our offense stalled and the defense got a little bit tired, he had just enough time and he killed us.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:05 am to Bench McElroy
It's virtually impossible to stop a team that is loaded with 5* players. Maybe we need a rule change for that too.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:06 am to Sunbeam
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Do you think Alabama is a better recruiting situation than Georgia, Florida, or Texas A&M?
Absolutely better than A&M. UT still runs the state and while Texas (the state) has talent for days, the kids are soft, particularly on defense. Georgia and Florida would be better though.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:23 am to Sunbeam
Saban is a breath of fresh air. In his interviews he actually gives some clues to the intricacy of football. And he shows that he THINKS about how even minor rules impact the game overall.
The issue with OL blocking downfield has not been fully developed. If the 3-yd rule is casually enforced, then you have what amounts to mass picks on a passing play. If a TE can go downfield and pick a safety, even a reasonably accurate passer can do a lot of damage.
In the NC game there were several Clemson plays that were pretty close to being picks...perhaps some for Alabama too. But downfield blocking on a pass play is definitely a problem that may not in fact have a solution.
The issue with OL blocking downfield has not been fully developed. If the 3-yd rule is casually enforced, then you have what amounts to mass picks on a passing play. If a TE can go downfield and pick a safety, even a reasonably accurate passer can do a lot of damage.
In the NC game there were several Clemson plays that were pretty close to being picks...perhaps some for Alabama too. But downfield blocking on a pass play is definitely a problem that may not in fact have a solution.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:24 am to Chimlim
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You really cannot defend a RPO if the QB is an excellent decision maker. There are so many variables that can confuse and freeze the defense just for a second, and that's all it takes.
I think that Saban's defense has a weakness for the RPO.
Look at all of the points Ole Miss has put on Bama but not LSU. Compare what Ole Miss did in 2015 against Bama (43 points) and follow that up with Vandy (27 points) and UF (10 points).
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