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Saban elaborates on revamping NFL Draft
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:24 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:24 am
New MMQB College Coverage - Interview with Nick Saban
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I’m not opposed to guys coming out early for the draft. And for the most part, there have only been a few guys that have not made a good decision. Part of that has been, we’re open all the time. When scouts come in, I always tell them to look at all of our potential guys because I want them to be able to get accurate information. Having been in the NFL, there are two parts to the draft: There’s what a guy’s draft grade is, and there’s where he’s going to be drafted. That gets affected by supply and demand and a lot of other things. Well, it’s very difficult for the NFL to just submit a junior draft grade. They don’t have background on the guy, speed on the guy, measurements.
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So I recommend that instead of waiting until December for guys to submit grades, why don’t we do it in the spring before the season. When your seniors work out and get measurements, they can actually test the younger guys and give them all the tests, the Wonderlic and all the stuff they do at the combine, so that they have the information. Then they can evaluate that guy through the season just as they do the seniors. So when you do submit your name, you get a much more accurate assessment.
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But the inaccurate information is what the external world uses to convince guys they should come out. In other words, you can get a Back to School grade, but there’s a bunch of people telling you six guys got drafted in the first round that got Back to School grades. So you should come out anyway, because they might be wrong. And you can go to the combine and improve your draft status. What they don’t understand is, once you enter the Draft, everyone is looking for reasons not to draft you. Character checks, physically, mentally, everything. They’re looking for reasons not to draft you. Well, most people go down, not up.
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The basketball model doesn’t work. We can’t say, “You declared for the draft. Go to the combine and do all of this stuff, and if it doesn’t work out come back.” We have 85 guys on scholarship. We would have 15 guys doing that every year. I wouldn’t know in March when spring practice hit, who we would have available. Then how could you manage your recruiting numbers? It just involves too many numbers.
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We had a conference call [with the NFL] about it. I think everyone was in agreement. Basically I called, Jimbo [Fisher], Dabo [Swinney], Bob Stoops, Urban [Meyer]—guys that have a few guys every year, and tried to get their input. This is the comprehensive input from all of us. Then we had a conference call with the competition committee, and they had some ideas too. Whether this gets implemented next year or not, I don’t know, but I haven’t seen a lot of resistance from either side.
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
There is some other interesting stuff re: the difference in college and NFL style sand how that effects NFL guys scouting college kids and college kids being able to adapt to the NFL compared to in the past.
On the growing divide, stylistically, between the college and NFL game
On the growing divide, stylistically, between the college and NFL game
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Yeah, I kind of do think there is. There’s one rule that affects that: linemen down field. Because what college offenses have done, we call it RPOs [Run Pass Options]. If you're on a running play, and these two guys are on a slant, and the quarterback just pulls the ball and goes on a slant and the offensive linemen don’t even know if it’s a pass. So it’s impossible to coach defensive players.
That rule has changed college football dramatically. I’m not saying it’s good, bad or indifferent. But if you don’t do that as a college team, you’re not taking advantage of a rule that grants you tremendous latitude in how you play offense. However, in doing that, the quarterback doesn’t really have to go through a progression, doesn’t have to read coverage, doesn’t have to change a protection. He doesn’t have to be an NFL quarterback. From that standpoint, the skill players on offense don’t develop in the same system that they will learn to play in the NFL.
Does it affect defensive players? Probably not as much, even though they get put into some impossible run-pass conflicts. They’re still learning how to take on blocks, they’re still learning how to read plays, they’re still learning how to cover people. I’m not sure it affects the defensive players all that much. I do think it affects the quarterback, and his development. These guys can have tremendous success and not be NFL ready. Blake Sims was a great example of that. AJ McCarron is going to be a fine NFL quarterback and he ran what was basically an NFL system. But Blake Sims was not that kind of guy. Blake actually set [Alabama’s] all-time record for total offense, but as an NFL quarterback he didn’t have a lot of opportunity.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 8:31 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
I'm interested in seeing how the Saban/Alabama haters are going to cast this in a negative light, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:33 am to coachcrisp
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I'm interested in seeing how the Saban/Alabama haters are going to cast this in a negative light, but I'm sure they'll find a way
I think it's as simple as looking at what is best for the kids. What he is proposing would be much better for the kids and the program. Win win in my opinion.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:39 am to Ham Solo
quote:My thought too. Just makes sense. I despise the "that's how we've always done it" mindset... and this is the opposite.
I think it's as simple as looking at what is best for the kids. What he is proposing would be much better for the kids and the program. Win win in my opinion.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:44 am to coachcrisp
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I'm interested in seeing how the Saban/Alabama haters are going to cast this in a negative light, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
3,2,1........
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
I would like to hear from Pete Carroll or Harbaugh. Guys that have been successful in the NFL.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
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lake Sims was a great example of that. AJ McCarron is going to be a fine NFL quarterback and he ran what was basically an NFL system. But Blake Sims was not that kind of guy. Blake actually set [Alabama’s] all-time record for total offense, but as an NFL quarterback he didn’t have a lot of opportunity.
The type of offense ran is not the reason AJ is in the NFL vs Blake
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I’m not saying it’s good, bad or indifferent
Translation- we're going to RPO the frick out of everyone this year. We tried doing it the right way, but frick it. You wanna roll in the mud, let's roll in the mud
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:49 am to NYCAuburn
Yeah that's a pretty bad example.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:50 am to NYCAuburn
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The type of offense ran is not the reason AJ is in the NFL vs Blake
Yea, but Blake was a good college QB mostly because he ran that type of offense described that doesn't translate to the NFL. I don't think his point was that playing RPO screwed Blake, I think his point was we ran a non-NFL offense type with Blake and Blake was very good........but he wasn't at all an NFL QB. The overall answer was about the differences in college and the NFL, and Blake is a pretty good example of that. All-time record holder at a school like Alabama in passing yet couldn't even get a look as an NFL QB. If he ran our AJ/NFL style offense he'd have been a disaster.
Or maybe he didn't mean that. I dunno.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:51 am to coachcrisp
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I'm interested in seeing how the Saban/Alabama haters are going to cast this in a negative light, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Lets be honest here, he is out for his own interest first, but he/they have come up with a decent plan for an issue at hand. The draft grading process and agent contacts for underclassmen are a major issue that needs to be revamped
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:04 am to NYCAuburn
quote:You wanna run me a list of coaches (or anybody) who aren't?
Lets be honest here, he is out for his own interest first, but he/they have come up with a decent plan for an issue at hand. The draft grading process and agent contacts for underclassmen are a major issue that needs to be revamped
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:12 am to NYCAuburn
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Lets be honest here, he is out for his own interest first,
So is that why he solicited Meyer, Dabo, Jimbo Fisher, and Stoops and I am sure others for their input?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:21 am to 14&Counting
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So is that why he solicited Meyer, Dabo, Jimbo Fisher, and Stoops and I am sure others for their input?
What does that have to do with it? can't he talk to other people about his own personal objectives and how to aide them?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:29 am to NYCAuburn
I'm still waiting on that list....and while you're at it, please tell me if you find a problem with ideas that are good for all parties involved.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:29 am to NYCAuburn
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What does that have to do with it?
Take off your orange and blue goggles dude.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
I don't disagree. 
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:37 am to beantown
EXACTLY what rise up from the rubble said!!!
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:He have something against Les?
I called, Jimbo [Fisher], Dabo [Swinney], Bob Stoops, Urban [Meyer]—guys that have a few guys every year, and tried to get their input.
Dabo - hahaha.
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