re: Rate the SEC Baseball Coaches

A very large portion of the contributors that carried the CWS team were recruited by Smoke and/or Saban/Miles. I'm not saying that they weren't "Mainieri players" by the time they won it -- I'm just saying that different coaches recruit different mindsets and sometimes that works itself out great like it did for you -- and sometimes it's a nightmare like it was for us. Had Cohen been carried in year 2 and year 3 to Omaha by guys Polk recruited(lol), it would be the same scenario -- but alas we know the difference in how that went.

As well as expected last year? You missed Omaha as a #7 national seed in a gimme super regional at home. You made it this year as a #4 national seed with the easiest overall path by FAR in terms of rpi only to go 2 and q.

Outside the run, PM is 1-6 at LSU in the CWS -- and 2-8 overall. Other than that one run, LSU is 1-10 in Omaha post-Skip overall. I realize the 90s are slipping a long way into people's rearview mirror and "what LSU is supposed to be" is becoming more and more blurry -- but Skip NEVER lost games as a favorite on the big stage -- and rarely lost them period. That mentality is lacking from these Mainieri LSU teams in general.

Now, can you be very successful without it? Absolutely. You are proving that. But you will never be the dynasty from before until something in the mindset changes.

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But you can't put that era in a vacuum and say "look at our history." There have been 20+ years of relative insignificance between then and now.

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Minnesota, Army, Syracuse, Ole Miss, all relevant in Football.

UofSanFrancisco and CCNY, still relevant in Basketball.

Ms. State in baseball.

All of these teams have one thing in common with each other except for one, so they would actually be more relevant than that team because of what it is...

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What, are you bragging about your SEC west banners in basketball now? On top of nearly 30 years of no baseball SEC title?

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No -- I'm bragging about kicking your arse 13 times in a row now at home -- which is where you play us next year.

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Minnesota, Army, Syracuse, Ole Miss, all relevant in Football.

UofSanFrancisco and CCNY, still relevant in Basketball.

Ms. State in baseball.

All of these teams have one thing in common with each other except for one, so they would actually be more relevant than that team because of what it is...

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They've all made the "elite 8" at least 4 times in the past two decades? And the "sweet 16" at least 7 times?

Otherwise -- another dumbass denton comparison that is irrelevant as frick.

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My argument is quite simple. When you take State's accomplishments in the 80's and combine them with 20+ years of mediocrity, they're really not that "illustrious." I honestly don't know how I can make that any easier to understand.

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So, what is "illustrious" in your eyes? Name me 20 programs that have been better -- EVEN while we've been down.

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Dude, our '09 team had 6 seniors on it, 1 of which was a starter. All others were recruited by PM.

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Jesus Christ you are another fricking dumbass trying to talk baseball recruiting that doesn't even understand how it actually works.

The juniors on that team were Smoke's too, genius.

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Outside of all his wins this year, Cohen hasn't won a game. Pretty asinine statement, no?

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Undefeated is better than victory-less regardless of how you want to frame it.

How about this -- bookmark the thread -- and when Mainieri's teams crumble another 4-5 times under pressure while Cohen's overperform, we can revisit.

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We never will be and neither will anyone else, b/c there's too many players now. No one will ever win 5 in 10 years. Ever.

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You are really arguing that there are "more players" now than there was in the 90s?

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We certainly don't need a lecture on dynasties from State, little bro.

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Obviously, you do.

Whose going to give such a lecture? State? Lol

GL tomorrow, I am sincerely pulling for State. I know that you love for LSU to lose and always pull against us for the same reason people pull against Bama football and UK bball, I get it. But the difference is, that we aren't threatened by you or your coach

This thread is so sad, so much fail

More dale stupidity.

So, they should all be "illustrious" because they won one title way back when?

Meanwhile -- in the two decades you are trying to call us irrelevant -- we have STILL played on the big stage 4 times -- and made Super Regionals or the equivalent 7 times.

Yeah...We just fell off the map**

And yes -- they would all be relevant as frick if they were in a final 4 right now.

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Illustrious, to me, is something that would describe accomplishments that are enviable. So, aside from national championships, I'd say making it to Omaha repeatedly is an accomplishment that other programs would envy.

With that said, since 1980 State has made it to Omaha 7 times. Here are the number of CWS appearances by other schools in that same time period:

Teams in bold have a national championship since 1980:

Miami- 20
LSU- 16
Texas- 16
Florida St.- 15
CSF- 14
Stanford- 14
Ariz. St- 12
Okla St.- 11
S. Carolina- 9
Clemson- 8
Florida- 8
Rice- 7
Wichita St. - 7
Mississippi State- 7
N. Carolina- 7

In addition to this, you have schools like Oregon State, Fresno State, USC, Georgia, and others that have less CWS appearances than MSU since 1980, but have also won a championship(s) in that period.

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I fail to see how showing us tied for 12th in Omaha appearances since 1980 does ANYTHING to disprove an illustrious past? Nevermind that it includes what basically amounts to 15 "down years" for us with a coach that had long since quit giving a frick in two different stretches? Got it...