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re: Ranking the best programs of All-Time
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:06 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:06 pm to DawgsLife
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You'll need to be more specific. there are a lot of us that those words could describe
You know the one!
I think it just turned into a pissing contest with UGA because of that guy's Big-6 ideas. Auburn could be anywhere between 12-20 depending on what you use and I think most of are ok with that.
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:08 pm to Sgt Deds
Actually that has us top 20 when I would say we are around 20-21.
Great OP OP!
Great OP OP!
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:08 pm to Phat Phil
I-A Winning Percentage 1966-2015 (50 years)
1 Ohio State 0.77211 450 130 8
2 Nebraska 0.77177 476 139 5
3 Boise State 0.77174 283 83 2
4 Oklahoma 0.75618 455 144 8
5 Alabama 0.73277 434 157 4
1 Ohio State 0.77211 450 130 8
2 Nebraska 0.77177 476 139 5
3 Boise State 0.77174 283 83 2
4 Oklahoma 0.75618 455 144 8
5 Alabama 0.73277 434 157 4
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:10 pm to BHMKyle
This was a well thought out and backed up by solid statistics thread.
We usually trade broadsides but well done.
We usually trade broadsides but well done.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:11 pm to Arksulli
Like, people may not agree with 100% of the inputs, but it always amazes me on threads like this that people are PISSED and downvote.
It's at the very least interesting, even if you don't agree on all the metrics.
Rant is dumb. This is good.
It's at the very least interesting, even if you don't agree on all the metrics.
Rant is dumb. This is good.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:13 pm to BHMKyle
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Heisman Trophies
Should be removed entirely.
Political and an individual award.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:17 pm to BHMKyle
Care to share your formula?
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:22 pm to DawgsLife
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You cannot weight if you are talking about All Time.
That's your opinion. But there is data in the formula that dates back to Game #1 of the sport in 1869. So the moniker "All-Time" does apply despite what you say. I would say the vast majority of fans would agree that putting more weight on recent success than say success in the 1800s makes sense.
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I mean....Notre dame is one of the top 2-3 all time, probably, but haven't done a whole heck of a lot in the last 20 years or so.
It's been more than just "the last 20 years or so". We're getting close to Year 30 without a National Title for the Irish. And if they fail to win one in the next two seasons, Notre Dame will only lay claim to one single National Title in a generation.
Much like Tennessee... you can't live off the '40s forever. If you don't continue to produce, you're going to start dropping. During the last 40 years, Notre Dame ranks just #14 in the AP. Forty years is no small time period. They also rank just 16th in wins and 17th in Win Percentage..... Sorry but when you have those results over a 40-year period, it has an effect.
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I certainly wouldn't rank Florida above Notre Dame based on Florida' recent success.
Neither did my rankings. Notre Dame came in #6 all-time while Florida acame in at #12. If we were just looking at the last 40 years, any sane person would say Florida has been the better program. Notre Dame is getting quite a bit of credit in these rankings for their ancient success... hence their #6 ranking.
And also hence why its called an "All-Time" ranking.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:30 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Should be removed entirely.
Political and an individual award.
Yes, but it adds value to a brand.
How much value does Barry Sanders and his Heisman trophy add to Oklahoma State as a program? Would anyone remember anything about Oklahoma State football prior to T. Boone Pickens if it were not for Barry Sanders? He put that program on the map and it's a huge boost to their program resume.
Anyone who remembers the old days often thinks of a program based off its famous players who won the Heisman Trophy.
What does Andre Ware mean to Houston?
What does Ty Detmer mean to BYU?
What does Doug Flutie mean to Boston College?
What does Tony Dorsett mean to Pitt?
What does Roger Staubach mean to Navy?
Those players brought a giant boost to those schools' brands. Heisman Trophies can have a pretty big impact.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:36 pm to BHMKyle
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Heisman Trophies can have a pretty big impact.
Agree
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Like, people may not agree with 100% of the inputs, but it always amazes me on threads like this that people are PISSED and downvote.
It's at the very least interesting, even if you don't agree on all the metrics.
Rant is dumb. This is good.
It happens. You have to take the decent threads where you can get them.
Er... change that to me challenging you to a fight behind the local Sonic.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:41 pm to BHMKyle
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It's been more than just "the last 20 years or so". We're getting close to Year 30 without a National Title for the Irish. And if they fail to win one in the next two seasons, Notre Dame will only lay claim to one single National Title in a generation.
BUT WHAT ABOUT UGA????
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:45 pm to BHMKyle
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Why 40 year?
Because that is the timeframe needed to include UGA's golden era.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:45 pm to VFL1800FPD
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BUT WHAT ABOUT UGA????
No one is clamoring for Georgia to be ranked in the Top 2 or 3 like another poster was doing. I didn't say Notre Dame was a horrible program. I just said they haven't had nearly a good enough past 40 years to keep their Top 2 or 3 program status.
I have Georgia as the #11 program of the past 40 years.... compared to Notre Dame at #13. They are very close, yet when you factor all the ancient history into the equation, Notre Dame is on a whole different level.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:49 pm to BHMKyle
Good work OP
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:52 pm to volfan30
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Because that is the timeframe needed to include UGA's golden era.
No, because technically 40 years = a generation.
If I had 100x the free time I do now, I'd incrementally weight every year going backwards to a certain point. A National Title in 2010 would weight more than one in 2000... which would weight more than one in 1990... which would weight more than one in 1980, etc. But that would take an impossible amount of time.
If I had really wanted to inflate Georgia's score, I would have made just the last 15 seasons count double instead of the last 40. In the last 15 years, Georgia is 8th in the AP and 5th in wins. All the credit Georgia gets for counting 1980 as recent success is squandered by also counting the Ray Goff years.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:57 pm to BHMKyle
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All the credit UT gets for counting the 90s as recent success is squandered by also counting the last Fulmer/Kiffin/Dooley/Early Butch years.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:14 pm to BHMKyle
The AP is about to rank the all-time college football teams based on AP rankings only.
Bama will probably lead in the AP national championships, but OU and OSU will probably lead in the # of times ranked #1 and total poll appearances. Th
Not being a total homer, but back in the early days of the poll, there was a bias against Southern teams.
LINK
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AP to publish first all-time college football ranking
The all-time ranking will be released on Aug. 2. They will be based on total poll appearances, number of times ranked No. 1 and AP national championships.
Bama will probably lead in the AP national championships, but OU and OSU will probably lead in the # of times ranked #1 and total poll appearances. Th
Not being a total homer, but back in the early days of the poll, there was a bias against Southern teams.
LINK
Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:18 pm to jatebe
Pete Fiutak last year also ranked the greatest teams of all time according to the AP ranking.
Top 25
1 Oklahoma 995
2 Ohio State 966
3 Alabama 964
4 Michigan 943
5 Notre Dame 924
6 USC 795
7 Nebraska 783
8 Texas 772
9 Tennessee 678
10 Penn State 648
11 LSU 602
12 Auburn 554
13 Georgia 548
14 Florida State 532
15 Miami 511
16 UCLA 503
17 Florida 486
18 Arkansas 439
19 Michigan State 423
20 Texas A&M 365
21 Georgia Tech 343
T22 Ole Miss 331
T22 Washington 331
24 Clemson 328
25 Wisconsin 322
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Since the AP poll is the only consistent ranking system from 1936 through today, we came up with a scoring system to compare and contrast how the programs finished over the decades. Every time a team finished No. 1 in the final poll, it got 25 points. The No. 2 team got 24 points, No. 3 got 23 points, and so on with the No. 25 team getting one point. Through the decades, the AP ranked the top ten teams for a few years before going back to the top 20 rankings, and eventually, it went to the top 25 system it's at now.
Top 25
1 Oklahoma 995
2 Ohio State 966
3 Alabama 964
4 Michigan 943
5 Notre Dame 924
6 USC 795
7 Nebraska 783
8 Texas 772
9 Tennessee 678
10 Penn State 648
11 LSU 602
12 Auburn 554
13 Georgia 548
14 Florida State 532
15 Miami 511
16 UCLA 503
17 Florida 486
18 Arkansas 439
19 Michigan State 423
20 Texas A&M 365
21 Georgia Tech 343
T22 Ole Miss 331
T22 Washington 331
24 Clemson 328
25 Wisconsin 322
Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:26 pm to jatebe
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They will be based on total poll appearances, number of times ranked No. 1 and AP national championships.
Total Poll Appearances:
1. Ohio State- 854
2. Michigan- 807
3. Oklahoma- 783
4. Notre Dame- 767
5. Alabama- 743
6. USC- 742
7. Nebraska- 716
8. Texas- 702
9. Penn State- 591
10. LSU- 575
11. Tennessee- 568
12. Florida- 567
13. Georgia- 542
14. Florida State- 539
15. Auburn- 533
16. UCLA- 531
17. Miami- 460
18. Texas A&M- 424
19. Arkansas- 411
20. Washington- 400
21. Clemson- 387
22. Michigan State- 375
23. Wisconsin- 336
24. Iowa- 308
25. Georgia Tech- 307
Number of Times Ranked #1
1. Ohio State- 105
2. Oklahoma- 101
3. Notre Dame- 98
4. USC- 91
5. Alabama- 74
6. Florida State- 72
7. Nebraska- 70
8. Miami- 68
9. Texas- 45
10. Florida- 41
11. Michigan- 34
12. LSU- 30
13. Michigan State- 29
14. Army- 27
15. Penn State- 21
15. Pittsburgh- 21
17. Minnesota- 18
17. Tennessee- 18
19. Georgia- 15
19. Washington- 15
21. Iowa- 11
22. Auburn- 9
23. Oregon- 8
24. Clemson- 7
24. Colorado- 7
24. Syracuse- 7
24. Texas A&M- 7
24. UCLA- 7
AP National Championships:
1. Alabama- 10
2. Notre Dame- 8
3. Oklahoma- 7
4. Miami- 5
4. Ohio State- 5
4. USC- 5
7. Minnesota- 4
7. Nebraska- 7
9. Florida- 3
9. Florida State- 3
9. Texas- 3
12. Army- 2
12. Auburn- 2
12. LSU- 2
12. Michigan- 2
12. Penn State- 2
12. Pittsburgh- 2
12. Tennessee- 2
19. BYU- 1
19. Clemson- 1
19. Colorado- 1
19. Georgia- 1
19. Maryland- 1
19. Michigan State- 1
19. Syracuse- 1
19. TCU- 1
19. Texas A&M- 1
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