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re: Ranking the best programs of All-Time
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:45 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:45 pm to BHMKyle
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They go all the way back to 1936.
If a program did anything great prior to 1936, it probably doesn't matter all that much nowadays anyway.
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All Time
frick this thread then
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:45 pm to BHMKyle
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DECENT PROGRAMS, BUT BIG DROP-OFF 17. Clemson- 61.3
shite you just lit the signal for Jaimelannister/Tillman.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:46 pm to CCTider
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Oklahoma had an absurd number of con titles. Put them in the sec or big ten, and that number drops by 50-75%.
What???..OU played ELITE Texas and Nebraska teams yearly along with Colorado. Not any different than Bama vs TN or LSU competition wise over the past 50 years.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:47 pm to BHMKyle
Note to self: don't spend time coming up with a new way to look at data. The people who can appreciate it didn't need convincing in the first place, and the rest will do nothing but try to poke holes in it and bitch about the output.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:51 pm to Sgt Deds
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What???..OU played eliteTexas and Nebraska teams yearly along with Colorado. Not any different than Bama vs TN or LSU competition wise.
This post was edited on 7/27 at 12:47 pm
Oklahoma and Nebraksa won 73 of 89 Big 8 titles.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:51 pm to BHMKyle
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If a program did anything great prior to 1936, it probably doesn't matter all that much nowadays anyway.
I understand, Kyle. But these are All-Time. If they are All-Time, then old stuff matter just as much as new accomplishments. If somebody is truly great right now, then they will eventually pass someone with older accomplishments. Old and new should be weighted evenly if you are talking about Best All-Time programs.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:53 pm to Sgt Deds
Texas and OU did not share a conference until 1996. The UT game was irrelevant for their conference record
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:54 pm to DawgsLife
Alabama, Ohio State, and Oklahoma are the only 3 schools to make top 5 in all 3 lists..I'll buy that.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:54 pm to Piscinin
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Miami and FSU way too high
Miami has 5 National Titles during the last 40 years... 2nd most of any program. They have twelve Top 5 finishes. They've produced two Heisman trophy winners.
Florida State has 3 National Titles during the last 40 years. They have an unbelievable 17 finishes in the Top 5.
If your program is finishing in the Top 5 nearly every-other-year for a generation, its going to score high.
As for Penn State... most of their success will begin to roll off in the next decade. If you look at the previous 40 years, this is how they start that period off:
1976- NR
1977- #5 finish
1978- #4 finish
1979- #20 finish
1980- #8 finish
1981- #3 finish
1982- #1 finish (National Champs)
1983- NR
1984- NR
1985- #3 finish
1986- #1 finish (National Champs)
Since '87, they've also had some pretty good success: 15 additional Top 25 finishes including three times in the Final Top 3.
Combine all that together and it gives Penn State a very impressive resume. If they keep failing to produce though, the success of the late 1970s and early 1980s will begin to roll off and they'll begin dropping like a rock.
But too many people who remember the '80s remember when Joe Pa and Penn State were a powerhouse and a constant fixture in the National Title hunt.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:55 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Oklahoma and Nebraksa won 73 of 89 Big 8 titles.
OU played 2 teams At the top of this list YEARLY. They take a back seat to nobody when it comes to quality of wins
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:57 pm to tigger1
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Real college football historians would never give 50% of the points to a poll. Also to a poll that does not cover the history of college football, a poll is an opinion not a fact.
And yet when you talk about National Championships that opinion used to decide it. Look at Auburn in 2004. They could/SHOULD have played for the National Championship, yet an OPINION kept them from it? Consolation points?
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:58 pm to ksayetiger
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frick this thread then
Fine. If you want to assume Minnesota is a better program all-time than Florida State because the Gophers have 4 National Titles compared to just 3 for Florida State... then my all means make your argument.
But the rest of us will continue to put more weight on recent times than that bygone era.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:59 pm to BHMKyle
UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:01 pm to DuncanIdaho
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The meltdown was with the jackwagon UGA fan who insisted only one set of criteria was valid for making that list while totally ignoring others like the AP & BCS polls.
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jackwagon UGA fan
You'll need to be more specific. there are a lot of us that those words could describe.
Seriously....there was more to it than that by several Auburn fans. That might have been what got you rolling (I am guessing you got rolling since you are bringing it up?) but several just couldn't make themselves believe that Georgia was rated higher than Auburn. I DO remember that was not the case with you, though.
That said, by all the criteria used in the other thread, the Georgia advantage was very, very slight.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:03 pm to BHMKyle
Florida is too high for only having 600+ wins all time.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:03 pm to BHMKyle
So Auburn is between 15-20 like I said the other day and was called a gumping bammer.
Well then!
Well then!
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:04 pm to Sgt Deds
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OU played 2 teams At the top of this list YEARLY. They take a back seat to nobody when it comes to quality of wins
No one questioned them as a program. But there is a question to the legitimacy of weighing conference titles equally, when that's clearly not justifiable.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:05 pm to BHMKyle
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But the rest of us will continue to put more weight on recent times than that bygone era.
You cannot weight if you are talking about All Time. All time, means ALL TIME....not just recent. that said, you also can't just use NCs. For me....my only nitpick is with giving recent success more weight. I mean....Notre dame is one of the top 2-3 all time, probably, but haven't done a whole heck of a lot in the last 20 years or so. I certainly wouldn't rank Florida above Notre Dame based on Florida' recent success. (Although as much as I hate Notre Dame, I would like to)
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:05 pm to DawgsLife
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I understand, Kyle. But these are All-Time. If they are All-Time, then old stuff matter just as much as new accomplishments.
Maybe to you. Not to most people.
Rutgers got credit in the rankings for their wins in the 1860s. No other team gets a credit for a win that decade because no other current Power programs existed then.
But I think you are going to sit in the minority if you think wins, championships, etc. from the 1860s and 1870s are as valuable as those things in the current era. They just aren't.
How many kids are lining up to go to Minnesota or Army because of their multiple National Titles in the 1930s and 1940s? None. Zero. I would bet 80%+ of all college football fans don't even know those programs have a single title to their credit.
So should they be counted? Absolutely. Should they be counted with the same value as Alabama's 2015 National Title. Absolutely not.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:06 pm to BHMKyle
Great stuff BHMKyle. This is really cool and a pretty solid formula.
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