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re: Random thought: JR Smith and Malik Monk
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:51 am to Arkansasrazorback
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:51 am to Arkansasrazorback
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JR shoots 40+% from three. Malik is not capable of that from the college line.
JR smith has only shot 40% from three in two seasons of his career. He's shot 37% from three for his entire career.
Monk is shooting 39.5% from three at the college line
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:53 am to SECFan1995
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But this guy's "magical" line is 40%.
The benchmark for good shooting from beyond the arc is almost always cited as being 40%
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:54 am to Arkansasrazorback
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The benchmark for good shooting from beyond the arc is almost always cited as being 40%
Then you consider JR Smith a terrible shooter
Also, Ray Allen one of the greatest shooters of all time shot 40% exactly from three.
Reggie Miller was under 40%
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 9:57 am
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:57 am to Arkansasrazorback
-.5 from 40, especially considering that slump Monk's been in="low percentage shooter"?
OK
So I guess percentage points will drop Monk down several spots in the draft, as now he's all of a sudden considered a bad shooter.
And that's not how they evaluate college guys anyway with their perimeter shot.
OK
So I guess percentage points will drop Monk down several spots in the draft, as now he's all of a sudden considered a bad shooter.
And that's not how they evaluate college guys anyway with their perimeter shot.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:58 am to Weagle25
Being below 40% doesn't mean one is "terrible," but the elite shooters are typically above that mark. JR Smith is shooting slightly below the mark, and so is Malik Monk. The difference is obvious.
I never thought saying Malik Monk isn't an elite shooter would draw this much attention. He isn't
I never thought saying Malik Monk isn't an elite shooter would draw this much attention. He isn't
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:05 am to Arkansasrazorback
Nice pivot. Let's get back to what you originally said.
JR Smith - 37%
Monk - 39.5%
So we can round 37 up to 40 but we can't round 39.5 up to 40? You don't think Monk is capable of hitting two more threes than he did? Because that would put him at 40.
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JR and Malik are not even remotely similar. Malik shoots an extremely low percentage from three
JR Smith - 37%
Monk - 39.5%
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JR shoots 40+% from three. Malik is not capable of that from the college line.
So we can round 37 up to 40 but we can't round 39.5 up to 40? You don't think Monk is capable of hitting two more threes than he did? Because that would put him at 40.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:11 am to Weagle25
"Extremely low" was an overstatement, but I was inebriated when I said that in my defense. You're still comparing college three point shooting to NBA three point shooting. In addition to the line being further back, there are a variety of other factors that come in to play when attempting to make that comparison. A lot of superstars are not elite jump shooters, which I also said Malik Monk has a very good chance to become.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:27 am to Arkansasrazorback
I've yet to see anyone in this thread call him a elite shooter. OP said he's comparable to JR Smith (who's not an elite shooter especially by your definition). I've yet to see you counter the claim with something remotely reasonable.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:40 am to Weagle25
The OP's premise is that JR Smith and Malik Monk are comparable players. They aren't. I laughed at the idea. JR is a one trick pony, but his one trick is very good and fits well on a team with Lebron James. Malik is not as good at JR's one trick, but he excels in other areas. I said that too BTW.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:24 am to Arkansasrazorback
quote:You said it was EXTREMELY low.
Which is less than 40% as I stated, dumbass.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:29 am to TiggerWoods
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Someone is upset at Malik for not choosing the hogs.
Absolutely. He's cried all over this board about it and it's gotten worse since the SEC Tournament.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:30 am to Arkansasrazorback
quote:So 37% is very good? That's not what you said earlier.
but his one trick is very good
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:32 am to Weagle25
I'd call 44%+ elite.
38-44% good, but not knockdown.
35%-37% decent.
And anything below 35% average to below average as you go down.
And I guess my other point has been missed completely. Those that are NBA draft evaluators do not evaluate college prospects on their shooting by their 3 point percentage, they look at free throw percentage. A good free throw percentage to them means that a prospect's stroke is good and their three will eventually translate very well.
38-44% good, but not knockdown.
35%-37% decent.
And anything below 35% average to below average as you go down.
And I guess my other point has been missed completely. Those that are NBA draft evaluators do not evaluate college prospects on their shooting by their 3 point percentage, they look at free throw percentage. A good free throw percentage to them means that a prospect's stroke is good and their three will eventually translate very well.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:37 am to BluegrassBelle
Maybe you have me confused with someone else? This thread is the most I've ever posted about Malik Monk. I have posted a lot about Kentucky in a few threads, but I despised UK long before Malik Monk ever committed there.
ETA: and since you spoke of the SEC tournament, all I ever did after that was defend Arkansas players from the attacks that were being thrown at them for getting into it during a basketball game. Some racist Kentucky fans, who should be banned, were even calling Anderson and his players thugs. Robin Lopez and Serge Ibaka actually THREW PUNCHES the other night and there wasn't as much crying from the media and Kentucky fans.
ETA: and since you spoke of the SEC tournament, all I ever did after that was defend Arkansas players from the attacks that were being thrown at them for getting into it during a basketball game. Some racist Kentucky fans, who should be banned, were even calling Anderson and his players thugs. Robin Lopez and Serge Ibaka actually THREW PUNCHES the other night and there wasn't as much crying from the media and Kentucky fans.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:55 am to SECFan1995
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I'd call 44%+ elite.
There's literally been two guys in NBA history north of 44%. Neither took more than 2.5 per game.
Monk will likely be a good shooter in the NBA. He's got a pure stroke, good release, elevates well. His questions will be defending bigger guys and whether or not he can run an NBA offense as the point.
I think Brad Beal would be a pretty good player comp for him.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/26/17 at 12:23 pm to SECFan1995
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I'd call 44%+ elite.
38-44% good, but not knockdown.
35%-37% decent.
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They look at the free throw percentage.
Canyon Barry grannies that shite in at nearly ninety percent. He's not a great shooter by any means.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:03 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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JR is a one trick pony, but his one trick is very good
Not according to you
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Malik is not as good at JR's one trick,
Hard to know that for a fact at this point. He's got better stats but as you have said and I acknowledged the NBA game is a different story.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:07 pm to SECFan1995
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I'd call 44%+ elite.
So you think Steve Kerr and Hubert Davis are the only elite shooters in the history of the league.
You also think Curry, Thompson, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller are good but not knockdown.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:21 pm to South Alabama Tide
Malik has benefited from more privilege
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