re: Question on 2-year bowl ban and transferring

Another reason why I don't think Patterson or Little will transfer is because their services have already been paid for.

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The 2 year bowl ban won't happen until the NCAA announces the penalties which will total 3 years total for ole miss and allow players to transfer.

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They have addressed this a few times on CSN XM. If it's 2 years , it would retroactive this year as one of the years, it won't be an additional 2 . 2 years max ( 2017-2018) players could transfer as soon as they want to which would probably mean a crazy spring for OM and a lot of teams.

under a bowl ban, do they only forfeit bowl revenue or some amount equal to the football piece of the tv revenue? Seems like the thing to do in this day and age is let them be on tv but take the tv money and give their share to the other members of the conference, but I guess that would be a penalty to be levied by the sec and not the NCAA, unless the NCAA took the ole miss share.

They didnt get SEC money this year. I think if they are bowl banned they lose tons of money as a result. That's why not having to payFreeze is massive at this juncture

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They are going to be horrible.

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Recalling the aftermath of SMU drives home that reality. Again, it's the reason why those OM fans who claim "it was worth it" are living in a dream world.


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From Wikipedia:


SMU returned to football in 1989 under coach Forrest Gregg, a former Hall of Fame lineman with the NFL's Green Bay Packers who had been a star at SMU in the early 1950s. He was hired in the spring of 1988 and inherited a team made up mostly of freshmen and walk-ons. Gregg's new charges were mostly undersized and underweight; he was taller and heavier than all but a few of the players on the 70-man squad. The new squad was particularly short on offensive linemen; Gregg had to make several prospective wide receivers bulk up and move to the line. By nearly all accounts, it would have been unthinkable for SMU to have allowed such a roster to play a competitive schedule in 1988.

Games were moved to Ownby Stadium, a 23,000-seat on-campus facility. It had to be heavily renovated to meet Division I-A standards; SMU had not played there regularly since 1947 and had not played any games on campus at all since 1948. The Mustangs played there until 1994, when they moved back to the Cotton Bowl, the scene of SMU's first glory era in the 1940s and 1950s. Since 2000, the Mustangs have played at Gerald J. Ford Stadium, which was built on the same plot of land that Ownby Stadium occupied until its demolition.

The scandal devastated what had consistently been a top 20-ranked team that had recently contended for the national championship. SMU's players were younger, smaller, and less experienced than their opponents; one team captain later stated that he questioned whether some of his teammates had played high school football. The new team was, as the Associated Press later reported, "scared, almost terrified" to leave the locker room to play number one-ranked Notre Dame on November 11, 1989. They lost that game 59-6, although Notre Dame coach Lou Holtz reportedly went easy on them. As bad as that loss was, it was better than the Mustangs' 95-21 thumping at the hands of Houston several weeks earlier—the second-worst loss in school history. Eventual Heisman Trophy winner Andre Ware threw six touchdown passes against SMU in the first half, and David Klingler added four more in the second half even with the game long out of reach. Gregg was so disgusted that he refused to shake Houston coach Jack Pardee's hand after the game.

Thirteen players needed knee surgery after the 1989 season, compared to the normal three or four. Gregg, who left coaching to become SMU's athletic director in 1991, said years later, "I never coached a group of kids that had more courage. They thought that they could play with anyone. They were quality people. It was one of the most pleasurable experiences in my football life. Period."

Next to the cancellation of two seasons, the most severe sanction in the long term was the loss of 55 scholarships over four years. As a result, the Mustangs did not have a full complement of scholarships until 1992, and it was another year before they fielded a team entirely made up of players unaffected by the scandal. Additionally, in the wake of the scandal, school officials opted to significantly increase the admissions standards for prospective athletes, effectively removing them from contention for the kinds of players they attracted in the 1980s.

Bill Clements apologized for his role in continuing the payments in March 1987. He said that the board had "reluctantly and uncomfortably" decided to continue the payments, feeling it had to honor previous commitments. However, he said, in hindsight "we should have stopped (the payments) immediately" rather than merely phase the fund out. He faced calls for his impeachment as a result of admitting his role in the payments; two state legislators argued that he would have never been elected had he honestly addressed his role in the scandal. While none of these efforts materialized, the scandal effectively ended Clements' political career; he did not run for re-election in 1990.

Bobby Collins was not sanctioned by the NCAA for any role in the events leading up to the "death penalty", though the final report criticized him for not providing a convincing explanation for why players were still being paid after the school assured the NCAA that the payments had stopped. Nonetheless, his reputation was ruined. While he was a finalist for an opening at Mississippi State in 1990 (which eventually went to Jackie Sherrill), he has not returned to the collegiate ranks in any capacity since leaving SMU.

As for Sean Stopperich and David Stanley, the players who were at the center of the controversies that led to the NCAA's imposition of the "death penalty", both fell victim to their own addictions. Nine years after his aborted attempt at returning to football, Stopperich was found dead in his Pittsburgh apartment from a cocaine overdose. Stanley, who had entered drug rehab while still attending SMU, never emerged from his substance abuse problems and died in 2005.

The Southwest Conference suffered greatly as a result of the scandal. It already had a dubious reputation with the number of NCAA violations at its member schools (at one point, only three of its nine members - Arkansas, Baylor and Rice - were not on probation), and the discovery of the scandal was a blow from which the conference never recovered. Arkansas left the conference after the 1991 athletic season was completed and joined the Southeastern Conference, leaving nothing but Texas-based schools in the SWC.

Three years later, in March 1994, the Big Eight Conference extended an invitation to four SWC schools to join with them to form the Big 12 Conference. The schools (Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, and Baylor) accepted, and after Houston agreed to become a charter member of Conference USA the SWC officially dissolved. SMU followed its local rival TCU and Rice to the Western Athletic Conference, which was also undergoing a significant expansion. The Mustangs later joined Conference USA along with Rice and several other WAC schools.