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Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:16 pm to Audioman213
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Roper runs an offense that is very similar to what Meyer ran back in the day
Proof of this?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:17 pm to Korin
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We're not used to playing a GA school that knows how to win titles and big games.
HEYO
You jest (I think), but this was close to a nightmare scenario for UGA. We almost lost to you. Had we done so, and then Georgia Southern beat you .....
.... I don't even want to contemplate it.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:18 pm to adammwilson
Presuming Muschamp doesn't hinder it, if you watched Duke play A&M it will be based upon their style.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:19 pm to Korin
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We're not used to playing a GA school that knows how to win titles and big games.
HEYO
Well played
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:24 pm to Audioman213
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Presuming Muschamp doesn't hinder it, if you watched Duke play A&M it will be based upon their style.
Which is different than Meyer's.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:41 pm to mwade91383
9 wins in the regular season is pretty widely seen as the minimum that would keep his job and that would require Florida have a great offense. Atlanta has been bandied about a bit.
Also I don't think people realize just how bad Muschamp's tenure has been-- outside of the Muschamp years Florida has never won less than 7 games in the regular season in the modern SEC-- not even under Zook, Boom's done that twice.
It's sad in a way because if Florida could have hired the Muschamp they're going to fire I think he'd be a decent choice, but the fact remains he was a horrible choice and now he's either learned his lesson and is going to the spread option way too late to save his job or he's flailing around trying to make it look like he's doing something.
His problem is two-fold:
1) He's essentially Florida's Rich Rodriguez- a guy who might be a good coach but is a massive misfit with the culture of the program, that is to say, Florida doesn't fit a power run Bama style program and half the fanbase hated watching it even when it was "working" in 2012 (the season while decent isn't exactly looked back on fondly it was painful to watch most of the time).
2) He was nowhere near ready to take a Florida level job and needed to fail somewhere else first to work out the kinks in his system.
Also I don't think people realize just how bad Muschamp's tenure has been-- outside of the Muschamp years Florida has never won less than 7 games in the regular season in the modern SEC-- not even under Zook, Boom's done that twice.
It's sad in a way because if Florida could have hired the Muschamp they're going to fire I think he'd be a decent choice, but the fact remains he was a horrible choice and now he's either learned his lesson and is going to the spread option way too late to save his job or he's flailing around trying to make it look like he's doing something.
His problem is two-fold:
1) He's essentially Florida's Rich Rodriguez- a guy who might be a good coach but is a massive misfit with the culture of the program, that is to say, Florida doesn't fit a power run Bama style program and half the fanbase hated watching it even when it was "working" in 2012 (the season while decent isn't exactly looked back on fondly it was painful to watch most of the time).
2) He was nowhere near ready to take a Florida level job and needed to fail somewhere else first to work out the kinks in his system.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:42 pm to adammwilson
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You realize how many different kinds of spread offenses there are right?
I do. I said the spread. I didn't define it any further.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:44 pm to roadGator
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I said the spread. I didn't define it any further.
You didn't. For some reason your other Gator fans think it will be a spread exactly like Meyer's which is puzzling.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:48 pm to Audioman213
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Florida should start 3-0 easily (a GA Southern type repeat notwithstanding), but then they run the gauntlet:
at Bama
at UT (who should by all accounts be improved)
vs LSU
vs Mizzou
vs UGA in Jacksonville
at Vandy (who I assume will be down somewhat)
vs SCe
vs EKU (the only other "sure" win on the schedule after the first 3)
at FSU
I think they could return to 2011 and win a lot of games with defense, but I can also see them finishing 6-6 with reality probably being something like 8-4. My best guess is they lose to Bama, LSU, FSU, and one of SCe and UGA. But I wouldn't count out UT, Vandy, or Mizzou in any of the 3 games.
Florida has to at least go .500 vs. Bama, LSU, UGA and FSU anything worse than that and he's fired before the bowls.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:48 pm to gatordmb89
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Weird situation...
Could be retained with 7-8 wins and a good looking O.
Could be fired with 8-9 wins and a shite looking O.
Everything revolves around the perception of the program after next year. Not necessarily the W/L's.
This. The perception of the program is key. I doubt he survives, although UF should be much better next year. Not SEC division champ good, but 8 or 9 wins good.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:51 pm to socraticsilence
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9 wins in the regular season is pretty widely seen as the minimum that would keep his job and that would require Florida have a great offense. Atlanta has been bandied about a bit.
Also I don't think people realize just how bad Muschamp's tenure has been-- outside of the Muschamp years Florida has never won less than 7 games in the regular season in the modern SEC-- not even under Zook, Boom's done that twice.
It's sad in a way because if Florida could have hired the Muschamp they're going to fire I think he'd be a decent choice, but the fact remains he was a horrible choice and now he's either learned his lesson and is going to the spread option way too late to save his job or he's flailing around trying to make it look like he's doing something.
His problem is two-fold:
1) He's essentially Florida's Rich Rodriguez- a guy who might be a good coach but is a massive misfit with the culture of the program, that is to say, Florida doesn't fit a power run Bama style program and half the fanbase hated watching it even when it was "working" in 2012 (the season while decent isn't exactly looked back on fondly it was painful to watch most of the time).
2) He was nowhere near ready to take a Florida level job and needed to fail somewhere else first to work out the kinks in his system.
Good post. Ultimately, he'll be fine if he wins. That's the bottom line.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:58 pm to adammwilson
Why are we arguing then?
Get out from under that fat girl. You need some air.
Get out from under that fat girl. You need some air.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:58 pm to roadGator
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Why are we arguing then?
You and I are not.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:59 pm to adammwilson
YES WE ARE DAMNIT. and now you have me yelling and arguing.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:59 pm to slayerxing
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This. The perception of the program is key. I doubt he survives, although UF should be much better next year. Not SEC division champ good, but 8 or 9 wins good.
I'll be absolutely ecstatic if we win 9 games.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 3:06 pm to Korin
8 or 9 wins with a painful offense yet again and he's gone. Also if he's not going to Atlanta, then one of those 8 or 9 has to be against Georgia.
I can't emphasize enough how badly the older Bulls (the only people still backing him outside of Foley) want to beat UGA- hell even with a win against UGA he'd (assuming we get beat by FSU) be:
1-3 vs. UGA
1-3 vs. FSU
0-1 vs. Miami
1-3 vs. LSU
0-2 vs. Bama
He could win 8 games and still lose to Bama, LSU, FSU and UGA- explain to me how and why Florida should retain a guy with a 3-12 or 2-13 (with a loss to UGA) against the teams that Florida fans actually care about beating?
Winning 8 or 9 would just get him back to Zook level in terms of winning percentage, how on Earth is that acceptable?
I can't emphasize enough how badly the older Bulls (the only people still backing him outside of Foley) want to beat UGA- hell even with a win against UGA he'd (assuming we get beat by FSU) be:
1-3 vs. UGA
1-3 vs. FSU
0-1 vs. Miami
1-3 vs. LSU
0-2 vs. Bama
He could win 8 games and still lose to Bama, LSU, FSU and UGA- explain to me how and why Florida should retain a guy with a 3-12 or 2-13 (with a loss to UGA) against the teams that Florida fans actually care about beating?
Winning 8 or 9 would just get him back to Zook level in terms of winning percentage, how on Earth is that acceptable?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 3:20 pm to socraticsilence
I think 8/9 regular season plus a bowl win and a much higher ppg average saves his job. A lot of people aren't banking on an Auburn run this year but more of a setup title run for 2015.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 3:25 pm to mwade91383
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My question is, IS Muschamps seat actually that hot?
Yes
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What's the sense around Gainsville? Could he be gone next year?
If he doesn't get to 8-9 wins or at least show some sort of overall improvement (esp. on O), yes.
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What WL record gets him to stay you think?
8-4, but he's got to beat UGA.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 3:26 pm to SpartyGator
quote:He gone.
8-4, but he's got to beat UGA.
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