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Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16316 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:21 pm
Will Gus have the balls to show Rhett the door after this season? Rhett has been his boy since he played for him in HS and then coached with him at the same HS. He's followed Gus everywhere he's gone except Tulsa for the past 12 years. Will Gus have the stones to fire his adopted son?
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

Will Gus have the balls to show Rhett the door after this season?


Yes

quote:

Will Gus have the stones to fire his adopted son?


probably not.
Posted by mgmau11
Member since Mar 2011
109 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:23 pm to
yea.needs a scapegoat and he fits the bill nicely.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18331 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:25 pm to
If Lashlee can't find another job to take (which I assume he will), he will still be at Auburn next season.

There's no way I can see Gus firing someone that close to him. It reminds me of Tuberville and his bbq crew. You weren't getting rid of Hugh Nall and Eddie Gran unless you got rid of Tubs first.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:40 pm to
It amazes me how people turn on coaches when it is players that should be held accountable. Auburn doesn't have a QB. That is the entire issue. It is the difference between 6-6 and 9-3 or 10-2. Lashlee is a boy wonder if JJ is 50% of what "EVERYONE" expected him to be.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30193 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:43 pm to
I think it's doubtful CGM cans Lashley. Gus wants an OC that "knows" his offense, knows the offensive language and how it runs. Lashley knows Gus' offense like no other, he was born and raised in that scheme.
Posted by auburntigasz
Member since Oct 2015
158 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:44 pm to
rhett only calls 10% of those plays

gus is really the playcaller

gus is to blame
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:59 pm to
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Auburn doesn't have a QB. That is the entire issue.


Whose fault is that?

Comparatively, Alabama is closing in on back to back SEC Championships with Jake Coker and Blake Sims as their QB's. Now Jake has been very much the 2009 McElroy type who tries to not screw up, but Blake was a large chunk of our offense last year. Kiffin made those guys into SEC QB's and tailored the offense to their skill sets (or away from their deficiencies).

Gus supposedly has tons of talented QB's on campus and he can't find one to help them win even 8 or 9 games? I mean, that isn't ALL on the coaches, but at least some of it is.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18150 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

It amazes me how people turn on coaches when it is players that should be held accountable. Auburn doesn't have a QB. That is the entire issue. It is the difference between 6-6 and 9-3 or 10-2. Lashlee is a boy wonder if JJ is 50% of what "EVERYONE" expected him to be.


The coaches recruited and evaluated the players. It is their job to recruit for this most important position.

We had Three Scholarship QBs..
Freshman - Tyler Queen: 3 star - Signed, but immediately had surgery, final 6 Auburn, Bama, Clemson, N. Carolina, Middle Tenn, Buffalo
Redshirt Freshman Sean White - A gamer, but best offers were from WV, South Florida, Boston College
Junior - JJ (no development)
Gus does not want his guys working with outside folks (every other SEC coach allows this)
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22454 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:12 pm to
Lashlee needs to go for his own progression. He needs to develop and be exposed to other offensive philosophies and strategies.

Malzahn needs an OC with a different perspective, to challenge him and lead to greater growth as well. Having an echo chamber for your OC is not a good thing, imo.

This season has been a disappointment, but I like the way the defense appears to be getting better. I like our running backs. QB has been a disaster and we never really had a receiver emerge as a breakout this year. The bright side is that most of that can be fixed, but I do think a change at OC is needed and we need someone to better develop the defensive front.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:13 pm to
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Redshirt Freshman Sean White - A gamer, but best offers were from WV, South Florida, Boston College


I thought White was pretty highly recruited, like a Top 150 guy?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

Gus does not want his guys working with outside folks



Oh wow. DId not know this. What an idiot.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:21 pm to
Gus will be fine once he gets another QB that can run his offense properly. I think everyone learned this year that finding the right QB is not easy.
Posted by thirdlawson
Nashville
Member since Oct 2011
8614 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

I thought White was pretty highly recruited, like a Top 150 guy?



Late bloomer. Blew up after winning the Elite 11. Still has a lot of upside.

But I think if JF3 beats him out...he transfers
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18150 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

I thought White was pretty highly recruited, like a Top 150 guy?


Sean White was not highly recruited, probable truly only beat Cinci and Indiana for him...
LINK
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

quote:
Auburn doesn't have a QB. That is the entire issue.


Whose fault is that?

Comparatively, Alabama is closing in on back to back SEC Championships with Jake Coker and Blake Sims as their QB's. Now Jake has been very much the 2009 McElroy type who tries to not screw up, but Blake was a large chunk of our offense last year. Kiffin made those guys into SEC QB's and tailored the offense to their skill sets (or away from their deficiencies).

Gus supposedly has tons of talented QB's on campus and he can't find one to help them win even 8 or 9 games? I mean, that isn't ALL on the coaches, but at least some of it is.


It is stupid to compare bama and Auburn. We don't have the same built in advantages as you do in recruiting, rankings, etc...Auburn has never hand picked recruits from the best of the bunch. You can get by with Simms and Coker because you have a nasty D or an amazing oline and running back, etc...

Auburn needs a QB that puts pressure on a D. There is nothing wrong with that and if Gus gets another one he'll look smart again. It is amazing how many of bama's D issues from last year are gone now that you have a competent front 7 again. Football isn't rocket science.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:32 pm to
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It is stupid to compare bama and Auburn. We don't have the same built in advantages as you do in recruiting, rankings, etc...Auburn has never hand picked recruits from the best of the bunch. You can get by with Simms and Coker because you have a nasty D or an amazing oline and running back, etc... Auburn needs a QB that puts pressure on a D. There is nothing wrong with that and if Gus gets another one he'll look smart again. It is amazing how many of bama's D issues from last year are gone now that you have a competent front 7 again. Football isn't rocket science.



Well, that is because Gus chooses to run a program in which the offense is the focus point. This is the equivalent of Alabama decided to do what we do but not being able to recruit linebackers.

My point is, if you are an offensive guru and you can't find a QB on the roster who can, in some way/capacity, win you games (and it isn't because your main guy is injured), then that is a you problem. The fact that Johnson didn't pan out isn't just a random oh well problem, that is a Gus problem.

At least that would be my opinion if it was my team (and was in regards to our defense the last 2 years with Saban).
Posted by Ashman
Member since May 2015
3391 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:33 pm to
Lashlee is offensive coordinator in name only. This is all on Gus, but he will can Lashlee as a scapegoat.
For those blaming the QB, exactly whose job is it to develop at least a functioning QB? Didn't Gus fawn all over Johnson in the off-season? Gus alone is to blame.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

Will Gus have the balls to show Rhett the door after this season? Rhett has been his boy since he played for him in HS and then coached with him at the same HS.


We are all praying he does. Rhett is a waste of money.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

Well, that is because Gus chooses to run a program in which the offense is the focus point. This is the equivalent of Alabama decided to do what we do but not being able to recruit linebackers.

My point is, if you are an offensive guru and you can't find a QB on the roster who can, in some way/capacity, win you games (and it isn't because your main guy is injured), then that is a you problem. The fact that Johnson didn't pan out isn't just a random oh well problem, that is a Gus problem.

At least that would be my opinion if it was my team (and was in regards to our defense the last 2 years with Saban).



How is trying to mirror bama working out for LSU or arkie? Gus and Co. missed on a QB. How often does that happen in the NFL and they have a lot better metrics, assessments, etc...to work with than a college coach. Not having a decent back up is a product of the recruiting nature. The QB's don't go where they can't play or think they can't play. That is why you had to go get Coker last year or at least thought you needed Coker.

If Gus' misses on the next 2 or 3 QB's with similar results to this season then he should be and will be held accountable. However, I think based on the injuries, the issue at QB and the fact that the team has played hard and had a chance to win all but one game this season you can give him a pass. He won't get another one, but he also might find a QB before next year as well.

I personally don't expect our O to move the ball at all against bama. His seat will be hot if it gets ugly. It has the potential to get ugly. I still believe if he finds a decent QB and most of this discussion will be a nonsensical. QB play is the reason we lost every game save 1 or 2 this year. Splitting hairs you could blame it on Gus' lack of trust in his QB or the inability of the QB to show enough in practice to earn trust but it is about the QB.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:41 pm
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