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re: Question for AU fans about Gus' QB Recruitment/Development
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:41 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:41 pm to CapstoneGrad06
9, but who's counting. That's a long time for a coach anyway these days. Things get stale.
I don't like the constant turnover, but Auburn has shown that it has all the resources to compete for titles with the right person.
Losing records are one thing, but getting smashed by your rivals, having players constantly in trouble, and a general bad culture is another altogether. I haven't seen that yet in Gus, but he needs to start showing some improvement.
I don't like the constant turnover, but Auburn has shown that it has all the resources to compete for titles with the right person.
Losing records are one thing, but getting smashed by your rivals, having players constantly in trouble, and a general bad culture is another altogether. I haven't seen that yet in Gus, but he needs to start showing some improvement.
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:42 pm to Gary Busey
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Post of the year.
Only for the mentally deficient. No wonder you are so drawn to it.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:43 pm to DuncanIdaho
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9, but who's counting.
Those who know he was there for 10 seasons (1999-2008).
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:44 pm to CapstoneGrad06
My bad... You are correct. He quit coaching after 9.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:54 pm to bamasgot13
quote:JJ committed to Loeffler and Chizik the summer of 2012. It seems this fact gets lost on everybody.
. Gus recruited and signed White, Johnson, and Franklin on this roster.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:56 pm to bamasgot13
I asked AU fans about this a week or so ago. Remember discussing it with TTsTowel and maybe Duncan.
Gus has always had a QB issue for some reason. His QBs in high school never did anything at the college level. Mustain was the highest rated, but turned into a career back up to 3rd string. Josh Floyd was the original QB under Gus who broke all the Arkansas state records before Lashlee came along and broke even more records. None of them did anything in college. Gus's offense was air it out at that time, and now he has gone more to a power run type spread in college.
As someone who has followed his career since high school, I'm not sure what his problem is. He certainly seems to have a problem with QB development and as odd as it sounds, looks to be following in the Houston Nutt mold. Wants total control of an offense but lacks the coaching to develops a quality QB.
To me, Lashlee is the problem at AU. He has latched on to Gus his entire career and Gus seems(from the outside)to be too loyal to him.
Gus has always had a QB issue for some reason. His QBs in high school never did anything at the college level. Mustain was the highest rated, but turned into a career back up to 3rd string. Josh Floyd was the original QB under Gus who broke all the Arkansas state records before Lashlee came along and broke even more records. None of them did anything in college. Gus's offense was air it out at that time, and now he has gone more to a power run type spread in college.
As someone who has followed his career since high school, I'm not sure what his problem is. He certainly seems to have a problem with QB development and as odd as it sounds, looks to be following in the Houston Nutt mold. Wants total control of an offense but lacks the coaching to develops a quality QB.
To me, Lashlee is the problem at AU. He has latched on to Gus his entire career and Gus seems(from the outside)to be too loyal to him.
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:03 pm to Hawgeye
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To me, Lashlee is the problem at AU.
I agree. I just don't see the fundamentals when I see our QBs play and that comes down to him.
We had Bently on the staff last year (now at USC) and I hope his role was working with the QBs when he was here.
I don't know how hands-on Gus is as a QB coach and I hate that he won't let them get outside help (although White still does, I believe).
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:15 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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what a cowardly count you are
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:29 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Final analysis?
Dumb question.
The man has been a college coordinator or HC for 10 years now. You can't discount every stop for some reason or another like this:
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You can't really assess his QB's at arkansas and Auburn when he was an OC because the head coach has the final say in what QB's are offered.
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You can't really assess his QB at Tulsa or Ark State because he was only there for a cup of coffee.
His QB at AU was Mustain. That was Gus' guy. His QBs at AU are either recruited or coached (or both) by him, so we need to be able to asses them too.
At Tulsa and Ark State he actually made those QBs better than they were before he got there, so he has shown the ability to improve players at that position.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:33 pm to joeyb147
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JJ committed to Loeffler and Chizik the summer of 2012. It seems this fact gets lost on everybody.
Gus was hired in early December 2012. If he didn't believe in JJ he could have encouraged him to look elsewhere like many other newly hired coaches do with kids at QB and other positions. Gus - and many, many others - all believed in JJ b/c he was a beast coming out of HS. He has the physical tools but just doesn't seem to have the mental toughness or something.
I've got a couple of buddies with AU ties and coaching ties. One told me that one of the things Gus does in practice is keep the D that his QBs see in the first couple of weeks of camp very vanilla to build confidence and focus on mechanics (not saying that's still the case, but that's what I'd heard when asked about JJ last year). Maybe that's part of what JJ struggled with last year - once the D got complex he'd not practiced against it. I'm not sure.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 2:55 pm to AA7
Gus's mistake in my opinion is that he recruits skill-set first, mindset second. Saban on the other hand recruits mindset first, skill-set 2nd at the quarterback position. One is about ability, the other is about leadership.
As an example, Kiehl Frazier and Jeremy Johnson had all the skill-set in the world you can see that in their recruiting tape, but their mindset did not translate to D1 QB level.
As an example, Kiehl Frazier and Jeremy Johnson had all the skill-set in the world you can see that in their recruiting tape, but their mindset did not translate to D1 QB level.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 3:35 pm to DuncanIdaho
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Losing records are one thing, but getting smashed by your rivals, having players constantly in trouble, and a general bad culture is another altogether. I haven't seen that yet in Gus, but he needs to start showing some improvement.
You haven't?
Posted on 9/1/16 at 3:38 pm to bamasgot13
Easy- His qb coach is simply a Yes Man that should not be in football.
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