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Question for AU fans about Gus' QB Recruitment/Development
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:13 pm
It looks like White is the guy for the foreseeable future in the 2016 season. Gus recruited and signed White, Johnson, and Franklin on this roster. Johnson has been there the longest and, by all accounts, looked incredible in camp last year before inexplicably looking like a deer in the head lights during the games.
My question is this:
Why do you think Gus hasn't been able to get the most out of QBs that HE has recruited out of HS? QBs he inherited at Tulsa and Ark State all improved under Gus from before Gus (some more than others). The JUCO QBs Gus has brought in (Cam and Marshall, with jury still out on Franklin) have performed well. But the HS players he's recruited haven't quite lived up to expectations. Why, in your opinion?
#noflame
#genuinelycurious
#offseasonforanothercoupleofhours
#indulgeme
My question is this:
Why do you think Gus hasn't been able to get the most out of QBs that HE has recruited out of HS? QBs he inherited at Tulsa and Ark State all improved under Gus from before Gus (some more than others). The JUCO QBs Gus has brought in (Cam and Marshall, with jury still out on Franklin) have performed well. But the HS players he's recruited haven't quite lived up to expectations. Why, in your opinion?
#noflame
#genuinelycurious
#offseasonforanothercoupleofhours
#indulgeme
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:17 pm to bamasgot13
Piss poor evaluations. We haven't signed a decent HS QB since he was originally hired as OC. I don't think he's that great at development either although Marshall and Newton did improve while they were here.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:17 pm to bamasgot13
I think QB recruiting is a luck of the draw situation overall.
I also think that between the QB's we have on roster right now. The only one that has really "failed" is JJ. Granted, he also had so much expectation and publicity thrown his way that I wouldn't be surprised if that nuked his mentality and cost him.
Sean White is a serviceable QB. Bama would win NC's with him IMO.
JF3 is someone Gus obviously recruited to be a Nick Marshall type. He may very well end up that way too.
I dunno, not enough time to count? Mitch Mustain did decent under Gus and then Gus left.....Keihl Frazier had to play under Scott Leofler soooooo
ETA: Also, I don't think he has piss poor evaluations. JJ and KF were highschool Mr Alabama or #1 Offensive Player blah blah blah. And we openly recruited people like Deshaun Watson and the other top QB's that produce elsewhere. So maybe we just didn't land the ones we really wanted etc
I also think that between the QB's we have on roster right now. The only one that has really "failed" is JJ. Granted, he also had so much expectation and publicity thrown his way that I wouldn't be surprised if that nuked his mentality and cost him.
Sean White is a serviceable QB. Bama would win NC's with him IMO.
JF3 is someone Gus obviously recruited to be a Nick Marshall type. He may very well end up that way too.
I dunno, not enough time to count? Mitch Mustain did decent under Gus and then Gus left.....Keihl Frazier had to play under Scott Leofler soooooo
ETA: Also, I don't think he has piss poor evaluations. JJ and KF were highschool Mr Alabama or #1 Offensive Player blah blah blah. And we openly recruited people like Deshaun Watson and the other top QB's that produce elsewhere. So maybe we just didn't land the ones we really wanted etc
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:18 pm to bamasgot13
It's a curious thing. The Frazier and Johnson both seemed like perfect fits for his offense but just seemed to lack the mental aspect of the game and absolutely crumbled in games.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:19 pm to bamasgot13
Gus is a mediocre coach who caught lightening in a bottle at Auburn. They'll turn their backs on him soon, though. Loyal people, Auburn folks.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:19 pm to bamasgot13
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Why do you think Gus hasn't been able to get the most out of QBs that HE has recruited out of HS?
I think he recruited the wrong style of QB (JJ & White) for the system that worked best for him.
That being said, nobody could've predicted JJ would melt like he did mentally. White was a freshman and played with an injury. I think the jury is still out on both, but this season will tell a lot.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:20 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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Gus is a mediocre coach who caught lightening in a bottle at Auburn. They'll turn their backs on him soon, though. Loyal people, Auburn folks.
Your jizz jar is half empty. Better go fill that fricker up
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:20 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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They'll turn their backs on him soon, though. Loyal people, Auburn folks.
And when we do, we will likely win the SEC again soon after. Sorry you won't experience that. It's a business. I'm not too worried about hurting the feelings of a millionaire who can't perform in his job.
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:20 pm to bamasgot13
I think Lashee does not to a good job of evaluating talent or developing talent.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:21 pm to AuburnTigers
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I think Lashee does not to a good job of evaluating talent or developing talent.
And this too.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:21 pm to AuburnTigers
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I think Lashee does not to a good job of evaluating talent or developing talent.
As mentioned, I think the evaluation is fine. We have been in the mix for some of the best QB's out there. The development part I can probably agree on.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:22 pm to AuburnTigers
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AuburnTigers
Hey chexmix
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:30 pm to plaric
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Auburn can fire a coach every 3 years and still win the SEC and make the big game more than T A&M.....
How many times do you expect to catch lightening in a bottle? At some point you have to have consistency, or firing before a coach sees a fifth season leads to a limited pool of coaches willing to take the job.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:32 pm to CapstoneGrad06
We obviously have a knack for it... Don't come here with logic lol
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:32 pm to bamasgot13
The problem is with the entire premise of the original question.
Once you limit it to "QB's that Gus recruited out of HS that have not developed", its an extremely small sample size.
You can't really assess his QB's at arkansas and Auburn when he was an OC because the head coach has the final say in what QB's are offered.
You can't really assess his QB at Tulsa or Ark State because he was only there for a cup of coffee.
So, we are really only talking about JJ and Sean White correct?
JJ stunk.
SW is a sophomore who was injured last year.
Final analysis?
Dumb question. No hashtag needed.
Once you limit it to "QB's that Gus recruited out of HS that have not developed", its an extremely small sample size.
You can't really assess his QB's at arkansas and Auburn when he was an OC because the head coach has the final say in what QB's are offered.
You can't really assess his QB at Tulsa or Ark State because he was only there for a cup of coffee.
So, we are really only talking about JJ and Sean White correct?
JJ stunk.
SW is a sophomore who was injured last year.
Final analysis?
Dumb question. No hashtag needed.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:34 pm to CapstoneGrad06
It's been working for over 20 years.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:35 pm to bamasgot13
QB is a hit or miss position. Right now we have three highly touted QBs on the roster: Sean White, JJ, and Woody Barret. JJ was a miss. However, if you go back and look at his high school film, it's hard to argue the kid didn't have talent worthy of being a top rated recruit. Gus missed on him along with everyone else.
Sean White was an elite 11 MVP. He looked good at times last year despite shitty play calling, shitty WRs, and being injured late.
We are waiting to see what Woody can do.
Honestly, I'd like to see us play defense better. If we can fix the defense, the offense will be fine.
Sean White was an elite 11 MVP. He looked good at times last year despite shitty play calling, shitty WRs, and being injured late.
We are waiting to see what Woody can do.
Honestly, I'd like to see us play defense better. If we can fix the defense, the offense will be fine.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:36 pm to DuncanIdaho
Except Tuberville was there for 10 years.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:37 pm to Gradual_Stroke
quote:Like Sumlin at A&M except he has won the SEC and made it to the NCG.
Gus is a mediocre coach who caught lightening in a bottle at Auburn.
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:39 pm to Rabern57
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Like Sumlin at A&M.
Not really, Sumlin doesnt have any accomplishments
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