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re: Question about Florida and MState
Posted on 7/10/18 at 7:37 pm to TJGator1215
Posted on 7/10/18 at 7:37 pm to TJGator1215
Mullen hasn't coached a single game yet and all the gnashing of teeth or hoping we fail by rivals wont change that none of us really know what 2018 will bring...but I personally think a few folks will wish he were still at Moo State at years end, we will see.
The cupboard isn't bare at all and with 10 starters back on offense and 7 on defense (really 8 with CJ Henderson) we will have some sharp teeth....and its not all because of Mullen, but because of returning talent that will have better coaching. Coaching without talent isn't a recipe for success normally. Talent without coaching ditto.
Having a very good year will definitely help recruiting.
The cupboard isn't bare at all and with 10 starters back on offense and 7 on defense (really 8 with CJ Henderson) we will have some sharp teeth....and its not all because of Mullen, but because of returning talent that will have better coaching. Coaching without talent isn't a recipe for success normally. Talent without coaching ditto.
Having a very good year will definitely help recruiting.
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Posted on 7/10/18 at 9:03 pm to GatorBait24
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we have won National Championships there is no need to develop a program here. He’s in a top 3 state for talent, at a school that is willing to spend whatever it takes to get good again.
You sound like half the people in Austin, where Texas' next natty is always next year.
I bet you're the fan responsible for Urban's chest pain.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:03 pm to DawgsLife
I think Mississippi State will have the better season in 2018.
I think Mullen will do just fine at Florida. On offense, they will be fine. If Dan Mullen and Florida want to take the next level, he will consistently have to recruit elite players on the OL/DL line. He couldn't do that at State. If he does that at Florida, he can win the SEC.
He had some good units on the line during his tenure at State with some outstanding players...but never the depth and level like Alabama and LSU during the Miles era.
2010-11 w/ KJ Wright, Pernell McPhee, Fletcher Cox
2014 - Good OL and Defense w/ Preston Smith and LB McKinnely
2017 - Good OL...actually controlled Bama DL during their game which Mullen had never done.
Mullen will have to consistently get studs like Jeffrey Simmons. If he does that at UF, he'll win the SEC.
As for Coach Joe Moorhead at State, I'm confident they'll be fine offensively and will actually recruit very well if assistant Charles Huff stays in Starkville.
After 2019, I'm not sure how the defense will be in the long run with State's new D-coach.
As long a Moorhead and Huff are together, I expect the offense and recruiting to do well.
You succeed in the SEC by winning in the trenches and having talent and depth on those units.
Hail State.
I think Mullen will do just fine at Florida. On offense, they will be fine. If Dan Mullen and Florida want to take the next level, he will consistently have to recruit elite players on the OL/DL line. He couldn't do that at State. If he does that at Florida, he can win the SEC.
He had some good units on the line during his tenure at State with some outstanding players...but never the depth and level like Alabama and LSU during the Miles era.
2010-11 w/ KJ Wright, Pernell McPhee, Fletcher Cox
2014 - Good OL and Defense w/ Preston Smith and LB McKinnely
2017 - Good OL...actually controlled Bama DL during their game which Mullen had never done.
Mullen will have to consistently get studs like Jeffrey Simmons. If he does that at UF, he'll win the SEC.
As for Coach Joe Moorhead at State, I'm confident they'll be fine offensively and will actually recruit very well if assistant Charles Huff stays in Starkville.
After 2019, I'm not sure how the defense will be in the long run with State's new D-coach.
As long a Moorhead and Huff are together, I expect the offense and recruiting to do well.
You succeed in the SEC by winning in the trenches and having talent and depth on those units.
Hail State.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:08 pm to GatorBait24
The biggest thing in the present day is confidence. Florida has lost that swagger they had 10 years ago. Tennessee is even worse. Texas is suffering from the same malaise as well. So now, other teams are no longer scared of you. Talent is spread across all of your SEC teams. So perception says Florida is a better program than State but reality says in the last 8 years the teams are even or that State is actually better than Florida.
With Mullen at the helm at Florida, the Gators are poised to reclaim their higher status but it will not happen in a year or two. That is another reason I say it is a 4-5 year process for the Gators to be on top of the food chain.
Now the question remains, will Florida fans have enough patience to see it through? If yes, then from about 2022 on , you will be a powerhouse for years to come.
If the answer is No, then you will fall into the Tennessee trap, hire and fire a coach every 3-4 years and stay in perpetual mediocrity like UT has been for a decade now. That is why I say it is more than just talent. UT has supposedly had superior talent according to the recruiting rankings the last 10 years yet they have continually struggled in the W-L column. Coaching stability is a big factor in getting your program back to where it once was. Continually changing coaches definitely impedes the chance of that happening.
With Mullen at the helm at Florida, the Gators are poised to reclaim their higher status but it will not happen in a year or two. That is another reason I say it is a 4-5 year process for the Gators to be on top of the food chain.
Now the question remains, will Florida fans have enough patience to see it through? If yes, then from about 2022 on , you will be a powerhouse for years to come.
If the answer is No, then you will fall into the Tennessee trap, hire and fire a coach every 3-4 years and stay in perpetual mediocrity like UT has been for a decade now. That is why I say it is more than just talent. UT has supposedly had superior talent according to the recruiting rankings the last 10 years yet they have continually struggled in the W-L column. Coaching stability is a big factor in getting your program back to where it once was. Continually changing coaches definitely impedes the chance of that happening.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:38 pm to Godawgs4
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Coaching stability is a big factor in getting your program back to where it once was. Continually changing coaches definitely impedes the chance of that happening
Or keeps you in perpetual mediocrity like Georgia with Mark Richt. There are two sides to every coin. Mullen has 4 years to prove he’s the guy. It is what it is.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:50 am to GatorBait24
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Or keeps you in perpetual mediocrity like Georgia with Mark Richt.
In 15 years at Georgia, Mark Richt averaged 10 wins a year. that is not great, but mediocrity?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:40 am to GatorBait24
Did you really just say Richt was mediocre.
Record 145-51
Won 2 SEC Championships
Consistently put a tremendous team on the field
Is a class act and lives his life with a moral integrity should be emulated by others.
I don’t like Miami at all but because he is there , I will pull for them when they are not playing a SEC team. He will win there as well.
I could go on but I am shaking my head at that. If Richt is mediocre, then virtually no coach in America even approaches being average much less good or great.
Record 145-51
Won 2 SEC Championships
Consistently put a tremendous team on the field
Is a class act and lives his life with a moral integrity should be emulated by others.
I don’t like Miami at all but because he is there , I will pull for them when they are not playing a SEC team. He will win there as well.
I could go on but I am shaking my head at that. If Richt is mediocre, then virtually no coach in America even approaches being average much less good or great.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:46 am to DawgsLife
I think we have the head to head edge this season with the starters we have coming back and the fact that the game is in Starkville. But, I don't have the issue with Mullen going to Florida that some of our fans have. I would much rather to have him go to Florida than within the division to an LSU or Arkansas.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 12:01 pm to Godawgs4
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could go on but I am shaking my head at that. If Richt is mediocre, then virtually no coach in America even approaches being average much less good or great
Aren’t mediocrity and average basically the same thing? We are talking about a man that had Matt Stafford, Knoshown Moreno, A.J Green, Clint Boling, Cordy Glenn, Geno Atkins, Danelle Ellerbe, Justin Houston, Rashed Jones, and Brandon Boykin on the same team and didn’t win jack shite with them. All of those guys are multiple year NFL players 7 of them are pro bowlers. Yes Mark Richt is the definition of average with all the talent he wasted and no National Championship. He’s also a cheating, whining, arrogant prick that uses his “Christianity” to act better than everyone else and play up to momma’s. Screw Mark Richt.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 12:35 pm to yatesdog38
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BETTER PLAYERS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
sure you do.
Yes we do, laugh all you want. You have a better QB, I'll give you that.
annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd better coaches.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 12:52 pm to UFMatt
We have better players at every position on the field outside of WR and probably cornerback. Florida has way more upside long term, but it will take an upset for them to win this year. They are a 3 point underdog right now and the line will grow by game time more than likely.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 12:59 pm to peepingcrxxms
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We have better players at every position on the field outside of WR and probably cornerback.
Sorry but that is just wrong. Our running backs are better, our D line is better, T ends are better, O line if it plays to it's potential is better. Wide receivers are better, D backs are better, Punter is better, kicker is better, water boys are better, trainers are better, coaches are better. Don't bet the house on that spread, just sayin'
I'll give you linebackers and QB.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:02 pm to UFMatt
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D line is better, T ends are better, O line if it plays to it's potential is better.
Yikes I wouldn’t get carried away there, they may have the two best D-Lineman in the league with Sweat and Simmons. Our TE’s and Olineman have been non-existent and shouldn’t be counted on until they prove it. MSU o-line last year was worlds better than any we have had in the last 8 years.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:04 pm to UFMatt
No, they are not. It's why we won 9 games last year and you won 4 in an easier division. We return 2 all SEC defensive linemen. We return 4 starters on an oline that produced much better than yours last year. We return a thousand yard rusher and a backup that is going to possibly take his spot by the end of the year. We return one of the SEC leaders in interceptions at safety. You've already admitted we are better at linebacker and qb. Our kicker missed 1 field goal all year last year. You think that because of the name on your jersey. Do some research.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:09 pm to peepingcrxxms
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o, they are not. It's why we won 9 games last year and you won 4 in an easier division. We return 2 all SEC defensive linemen. We return 4 starters on an oline that produced much better than yours last year. We return a thousand yard rusher and a backup that is going to possibly take his spot by the end of the year. We return one of the SEC leaders in interceptions at safety. You've already admitted we are better at linebacker. Our kicker missed 1 field goal all year last year. You think that because of the name on your jersey. Do some research.
As much as I rag on the guy, Mullen really left you guys in a good spot. It’s not often a coach leaves you so much better off than when he started. Moorehead should have no excuse to keep the needle pointed upwards.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:12 pm to GatorBait24
I have no complaints with Mullen outside of not having his focus on the last 2 games of the year while getting paid 5 million dollars. It was pretty obvious the last 2 games that he was about to leave (I mean he was texting the Tennessee AD the night before the Egg Bowl). Going forward, he left us in a great spot and if Moorhead fails it is no one's fault but his own. Good luck to you guys.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:19 pm to peepingcrxxms
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Going forward, he left us in a great spot and if Moorhead fails it is no one's fault but his own. Good luck to you guys
Good luck to y’all too, should be a great year for State fans, hope everyone stays healthy.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:20 pm to GatorBait24
Don't judge Mullen on 19 crooting wait til 20
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:24 pm to GatorBait24
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Aren’t mediocrity and average basically the same thing?
Okay. I just pointed out that he averaged 10 wins a year over 15 years. Are you trying to say the average team in the NCAA wins 10 games a year? I mean, as you said, mediocrity=average.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:01 pm to DawgsLife
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Okay. I just pointed out that he averaged 10 wins a year over 15 years. Are you trying to say the average team in the NCAA wins 10 games a year? I mean, as you said, mediocrity=average
For Georgia? Of course it is, he was an average coach at a great program, that results in 10 wins counting the bowl pretty regularly. Imagine what a good coach could have done with all the talent Richt wasted let’s say Kirby?
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