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re: Power 5 Conference Programs with Fiscal Deficits (2014)

Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:00 pm to
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Strait line graphs are stupid.


What about straight line graphs?
Posted by 5thTiger
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:03 pm to
a ---------------------------- can look like------------------------

------------------- Graph

----------- this.


But what the author did was put a line graph from "a" to "this", fulling ignoring the other 4 "words" (years). Formatting sucks, but hopefully my point comes across.

Not to mention, using '04 and '14 could potentially ignore massive recession that took hold for 5 years of that decade.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted by hehatedrew
New Zealand
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:05 pm to
Well, we did just build a new basketball arena, so I'm not surprised that we had a deficit.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:06 pm to
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a ---------------------------- can look like------------------------ ------------------- Graph ----------- this. But what the author did was put a line graph from "a" to "this", fulling ignoring the other 4 "words" (years). Formatting sucks, but hopefully my point comes across.


Ha yes, it does, and I fully agree. Especially when it comes to athletic programs. Depending on projects, debt, etc things one year can look drastically different than the next. A one year snapshot of an income statement is a pretty stupid way to make a general, large point like this article does.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:07 pm to
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Well, we did just build a new basketball arena, so I'm not surprised that we had a deficit.


Exhibit A in Tiger's point about using multiple years for this kind of analysis.
Posted by hehatedrew
New Zealand
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:07 pm to
Sorry, didn't see his post until after mine.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:08 pm to
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Sorry, didn't see his post until after mine.


It was a perfect example

Posted by Boomer00
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:09 pm to
Too bad they aren't including all that aggie Bond debt.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:12 pm to
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Too bad they aren't including all that aggie Bond debt.


Maybe because you dont include all bond debt totaled in a fiscal report like this
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:15 pm to
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Maybe because you dont include all bond debt totaled in a fiscal report like this


GAAP(TMMRLB)

Generally Accepted Accounting Principles That Makes My Rival Look Bad

I think its International Standards.
Posted by Boomer00
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:16 pm to
Hence I said "too bad."
Posted by William Stephenson
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:20 pm to
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Hence I said "too bad."


Didnt OU have a bond debt issue recently?

ETA. ^^^ yikes
quote:

the university's outstanding debt to almost $1 billion.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Boomer00
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:21 pm to
? OU takes no state money
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:21 pm to
This is one of the reasons that UAB fans were so outraged when their program was killed. They actually were breaking even since they basically weren't spending anything. (It appears to have turned out well for UAB in the big picture though.)

There are a lot of benefits to sports programs that are hard to capture in dollars and cents. Why else would all of these programs continue to exist and show a negative balance on paper?
Posted by HailFreezusOver
Oxford
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:22 pm to
The article is misleading.

It gives a red dot to schools with deficient next to how much the program took in.

Makes it look like we are 70 million in the red.

How much was taken in and how much was spent?

We could have been 1 million in defciet or 2$.
It's intentionally misleading.
But let's not bring up the renovations and new basketball facility that had to be paid up front now and hurt 2014 revenue.

Lol at you poors with outdated facilities.


The hump
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:23 pm to
But... But... Tennessee is bankrupt! They're poors!

frick you TT9
Posted by MSU5
Memphis
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

The hump


I don't think the hump is that bad?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:24 pm to
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There are a lot of benefits to sports programs that are hard to capture in dollars and cents.


Meh, I pretty adamantly disagree with this line of thinking generally. If you already have an established program that the alumni base loves and follows? Yes. If you are a commuter school that is looking to create a new revenue stream and make their alums develop a new sense of school pride and give back large chunks of money for athletics (and then eventually academics)? Ehhhhhh

Places like Georgia State took that approach and they quickly learned that is a total fantasy.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted by HailFreezusOver
Oxford
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 2:25 pm to
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