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re: Population Changes - Top 25 Metro Areas & SEC Cities : 2014 to 2015
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:05 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:05 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I honestly don't know but I think you're right. The shuttle from J Gilligan's is nice. It would be great to be able to stay in Uptown and go out/eat before the game and hop on that out there.
I will say - of all the giant events I've ever been to Jerry World after the Cotton Bowl was the easiest I have ever gotten out and onto an interstate. They have ever single little detail at that place figured out. We were back to our hotel in Uptown in what felt like no time at all. I don't even think I sat in traffic for more than maybe 2-3 minutes on my way down some surface streets.
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 1:07 pm
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Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Dallas has done an awesome job with their transit system. They are the perfect example of a fiscally responsible area understanding that transportation within the metro matters, and they figured out a way to get most (not all, I know, but a lot) of the suburban areas to buy in too.
Biggest issue is that Arlington won't buy in so the Dallas to Ft Worth line is super long and goes way too North. At one point Arlington was the largest city in the country with ZERO public transportation, and it was all because they didn't want the "rif raff" that comes with public transit. Now I think they have like ONE bus or something. There is also the issue of Highland Park acting the same way in Dallas proper. I don't think the DNT or 635 will ever get rail. Even DART's long term 2030 plan had nothing more than HOV lanes for those two, and most of the 2030 stuff has really been abandoned for the High Speed Rail coming in and then trying to develop something south.
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Atlanta is still wrestling with those issues. They finally said to hell with convincing the suburbs to join in and are concentrating on last step connectivity in the city center/midtown/buckhead etc areas. It took an act of God to get the ability to do that through the state legislature.
Dallas is getting lucky with the 75 line really getting some good and practical use out of it. I remember 10 years ago in high school taking to train from Plano to the AAC for a Mavs game so we could drink in private. There were NO attendants any time I EVER used it. Now with the Uptown growth, affluent in Plano, Allen, and McKinney that work in Uptown are actually using it. Ridership has quadrupled in the last 4 years or something crazy like that.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:08 pm to biggsc
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How the heck did Chicago lose over 6,200 people?
Gun violence?
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:10 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Dallas badly needs a DART line out to Jerryworld. Would make the Arkansas game a much better event
Arlington won't play ball. They were at one point the largest city in the country without public transit of any kind. They don't want the "riff raff".
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Dallas is getting lucky with the 75 line really getting some good and practical use out of it. I remember 10 years ago in high school taking to train from Plano to the AAC for a Mavs game so we could drink in private. There were NO attendants any time I EVER used it. Now with the Uptown growth, affluent in Plano, Allen, and McKinney that work in Uptown are actually using it. Ridership has quadrupled in the last 4 years or something crazy like that.
That's awesome.
We even used the dinky little free McKinney Trolley to get from our hotel up to Uptown the night before the game. It wasn't super fast, but it did it's job and I didn't have to pay for an Uber. Then we Ubered back downtown.
That's all a lot of these areas need is just that last connection point.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Arlington won't play ball. They were at one point the largest city in the country without public transit of any kind. They don't want the "riff raff".
Cobb County is the same way in Atlanta. And they just got the Braves stadium.
Everyone was super jazzed.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That's awesome.
We even used the dinky little free McKinney Trolley to get from our hotel up to Uptown the night before the game. It wasn't super fast, but it did it's job and I didn't have to pay for an Uber. Then we Ubered back downtown.
That's all a lot of these areas need is just that last connection point.
What's great is that uber can really fill in the gaps. The need to have a car when you're visiting a city for convenience has really dropped dramatically.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The only thing I defend Houston on transit wise is we have light rail at the three major stadiums now. The Minute Maid/Toyota Center line is kind of useless as is but you can go from downtown/midtown to NRG for football games and the Rodeo which is nice. I'm pretty sure giving that access was a stipulation for getting Super Bowls.
Besides that and Texas Medical Center though it pretty much only serves areas that are hood as frick
Besides that and Texas Medical Center though it pretty much only serves areas that are hood as frick
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:16 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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The only thing I defend Houston on transit wise is we have light rail at the three major stadiums now. The Minute Maid/Toyota Center line is kind of useless as is but you can go from downtown/midtown to NRG for football games and the Rodeo which is nice. I'm pretty sure giving that access was a stipulation for getting Super Bowls.
Besides that and Texas Medical Center though it pretty much only serves areas that are hood as frick
Yeah, I'm always jealous of people that live in Midtown, walk out their door 50 yards to a bar, and then take the train to a Texans game.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:17 pm to TeLeFaWx
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What's great is that uber can really fill in the gaps. The need to have a car when you're visiting a city for convenience has really dropped dramatically.
I don't even think about it anymore. It's just so easy and coordinated. Kind of wild to think how quickly it has become an afterthought and a key part of anyone's transportation plans in a place they don't know at all.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:18 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Yeah, I'm always jealous of people that live in Midtown, walk out their door 50 yards to a bar, and then take the train to a Texans game.
Our new house in Atlanta in the area right above Buckhead called Brookhaven. We have a MARTA station 0.5 miles south and another 0.5 miles north of the house. Literally walk or ride over, get on MARTA, get dropped off at the gates to Philips Arena/Georgia Dome/new Falcon Stadium.
It's pretty awesome.
Braves, not so much.
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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And that won't happen anytime soon. There is a 0.001% chance that something as large as the interstate highway system could ever be built in today's political climate.
Yup. Unless we get a Congress that can earmark stuff JUST for rail expansion, but there are so many political interests at work, we would need a true outsider to wrestle the necessary funds away.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:24 pm to TeLeFaWx
I love boobs too, but what does that have to do with government?
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
That Nashville number is too low.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:25 pm to Farmer1906
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I love boobs too, but what does that have to do with government?
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:27 pm to Serraneaux
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That Nashville number is too low.
Nashville MSA
1990 : 985,026
2000 : 1,311,789
2010 : 1,589,934
2015 : 1,830,345
I mean, the Census Bureau, Wikipedia, various articles all have that as Nashville's MSA figure.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Our new house in Atlanta in the area right above Buckhead called Brookhaven. We have a MARTA station 0.5 miles south and another 0.5 miles north of the house. Literally walk or ride over, get on MARTA, get dropped off at the gates to Philips Arena/Georgia Dome/new Falcon Stadium.
It's pretty awesome.
Braves, not so much.
It's sort of the old "supply creates its own demand" phenomenon. People that grow up thinking they need to take their car everywhere are sort of entrenched in that belief, but that's because they aren't exposed to the other option. And on top of that, now your travel options to a new place are opened up because you aren't even worried about a rental.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:29 pm to Farmer1906
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I love boobs too, but what does that have to do with government?
You gotta take your eyes off the boobs just for ONE second to see the bigger message at work.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:30 pm to TeLeFaWx
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It's sort of the old "supply creates its own demand" phenomenon. People that grow up thinking they need to take their car everywhere are sort of entrenched in that belief, but that's because they aren't exposed to the other option. And on top of that, now your travel options to a new place are opened up because you aren't even worried about a rental.
Yep. And, on top of that, you have the entrenched feeling amongst a lot of older folks that public transit = crime = minorities. A lot of the people that age are the ones that sit on Suburban City Councils and County Commissions as well as are in the State Legislatures. They are also don't trust the government to spend their money wisely, which I understand and even agree with. I've just decided that I am ok with some waste if the proper goal is reached.
Even super "anti-transit" places in Atlanta are starting to shift due to younger people living there and the influx of non-old whites.
And, most importantly, large businesses are flocking to areas of the inner suburbs that are connected to MARTA. That will change opinions real quick.
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yep. And, on top of that, you have the entrenched feeling amongst a lot of older folks that public transit = crime = minorities. A lot of the people that age are the ones that sit on Suburban City Councils and County Commissions as well as are in the State Legislatures.
Even super "anti-transit" places in Atlanta are starting to shift due to younger people living there and the influx of non-old whites.
And, most importantly, large businesses are flocking to areas of the inner suburbs that are connected to MARTA. That will change opinions real quick.
I agree with all of this.
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