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re: Pollack says "McCarron has to have a great supporting cast to succeed"

Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64985 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

70.9 quarterback rating.


The most overrated stat in football.

He moved the offense down the field all night. Yeah...we didn't get touchdowns but we got points. LSU stacked 8 men in the box all night in an attempt to stop Richardson. They wanted to make McCarron beat them. He did.

Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
9394 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:18 pm to
The dumbest comparison is people say Aj won the head to head with Manziel. What ranked defense was Manziel facing that day and what was the rank of the defense Aj faced. Stupid comparison.
Posted by Bow to Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
1830 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:20 pm to
The Julio comment was in regard to Matt Ryan. How he has fallen off without elite talent. He compared Matt Ryan and tat boy.

What the f is this logic shite and where did it come from
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10397 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:27 pm to
Hell, any successful QB has to have a good supporting cast to excel. Put a great QB with a shitty team and what happens?

So, to some degree, Pollack is right.
Posted by BuccWildBammer
AL
Member since Nov 2011
23334 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:32 pm to
That's stupid too

Ryan has had the best WR combo (when healthy) in the NFL

McCarron hasn't had an outstanding WR like either one of those guys, Amari Cooper is the closest and he was just a TF last year and only started half the year last yr anyway

He still is productive
He still wins
He spreads the ball around and makes the throws when he has to
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:35 pm to
A beast offensive line is a force multiplier though. tat boy has always had the best o-line in CFB.

Every QB and RB that gets to the league from Bama owes that o-line for propping them up.
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 12:37 pm
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
22925 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:47 pm to
If they called even a third of the holding that A&M's linemen get away with, Manziels stats would be waaaay down.

LSU fans always bitched about Bama holding but the Ags hold more than any team I've ever seen in my life and it is almost never called. That kind of made tbe Auburn horse collar play less of a BS call because of all the holding they get away with.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:48 pm to
Every QB needs a quality supporting cast to be successful.

Put a great QB on a shitty team and they'll still lose.
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
36761 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:55 pm to
You must have a good cast at qb to succeed. Manziel has a great oline, Murray at georgia is good when the oline is good, murray has always had a talented receiving core around him, maziel has had pretty good receivers around him as well. Manziel is the best right now in the college game though and if you can't see that you aren't watching. Dude is tough to sack, and produces insane amounts of offense his numbers are down but from what i've seen they're still as good as everyone else. he's just a giant douche so no one wants to give him the award and I think that's bullshite.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
9672 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:57 pm to
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100% corret. You could have had Star Jackson at QB and he would have done well behind that o-line. Nothing wrong with that, hell I would love to have that luxury


This is 100% bullshite.

You have to have a good supporting cast to succeed. Put Tom Brady on the Southern Miss eagles. Does he succeed?

You have to BE good AND have support.

Witness: Blake Sims. One of the top recruits and he looks like arse most every time I see him out there. No way he starts next year.
Posted by Chronic
Member since Nov 2013
1096 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:02 pm to
I actually agree with the premise. McCarron is one of the best "game manager" quarterbacks to ever play college football. But he is not one of the best quarterbacks to ever play college football.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:02 pm to
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You have to have a good supporting cast to succeed. Put Tom Brady on the Southern Miss eagles. Does he succeed?


Depends on what you define as success. With superstars, I think you put them anywhere and their talent is apparent. Otherwise how would they find gems in FCS and Division II schools? Sometimes talent slips through the cracks but you know it when you see it.

You put Tom Brady on Southern Miss, I still believe his talent is apparent. He wouldn't win a NC, but you'd still see flashes of brilliance. You put Manziel on Troy and I think his talent is apparent. I don't know that I'd say that about your QB.

Not that that is a knock on him. He's a capable college football QB but not some transcendent talent.

You guys were trying to say that Trent Richardson has to be surrounded by good players in the NFL, then he'll be great. Let me tell you something, if you HAVE to surround a player with other good players for him to succeed, he ain't good.
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
9672 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

Not that that is a knock on him. He's a capable college football QB but not some transcendent talent.


I'm not sure many people say that. And I would agree.

Put Brodie Croyle back there, I'm pretty sure he lights it the f*(k up.

JPW looked decent back there. Greg McElroy looked decent back there. McCarron looks good back there.

Point is they were all pretty good, AJ is the best of the three.

But saying you can stick just anyone back there is laughable.


Posted by AUTiger45
The Ham
Member since Oct 2013
4043 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:31 pm to
but can you imagine putting a Cam or Manziel back there?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64985 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

But saying you can stick just anyone back there is laughable.



Anyone who says this is an idiot and doesn't understand the game.

Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
9672 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

but can you imagine putting a Cam or Manziel back there?


I admit, I have often wondered why we can't get an elite QB back there.

And when I think elite I don't think Cam Newton or Manziel. I think someone like Matthew Stafford.

Though this kid out of Norman (like 6'4" 240) sounds like a possibility.

I'm not knocking on AJ. He's done a fine job. And one of the best, if not the best, to play for Bama.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30048 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:36 pm to
Funny, I've always thought DP was kinda pro-Bama.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
9672 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:41 pm to
Why, as Bama fans, do we GAF about the Heisman and AJ?

Do you think he does? Hey may. But I'm pretty sure he's content with all the rings and the pretty girlfriend.

To say AJ should go because of his career, then we could talk about any number of seniors we have with middling stats.

If anyone should go, maybe it should be CJ Mosely?
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

Pollack is a dumbass. What else is new.



This.

On a related note, does he have AIDS or something? I've never seen somebody go from an athletic stud to sickly looking person so fast.
Posted by BamaDude06
GOATville20
Member since Jan 2007
3475 posts
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

70.9 quarterback rating. He had a pretty good game and was the only logical selection for MVP. Nothing more.


L-o-freaking L.

Don't bring ESPN's weak QBR into this. That thing is heavily weighted on the fourth quarter, where AJ was ZERO/ZERO passing as Bama was trying to run clock

If you are going to use QBR why did you leave the adjusted QBR out? It was 91.1, btw.
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