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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:11 pm to djsdawg
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I saw your post about it, and responded to it by describing it as flawed thinking.
It's not flawed thinking.
Bowers is easily going to be the #1 TE in the draft, but I suspect he's going to go to a team that already has a more prototypical size TE and really wants a guy that can create mismatches in 12 personnel.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:09 am to wadewilson
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don't know
So you post half truths.
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But at 6'4" and 230 lbs, Bowers is a hair shorter and about 20-25 lbs lighter than your average NFL TE. He's a tweener.
He's also faster, more explosive, and stronger.
The goal of being a first round tight end "is not" to be your average tight end.
Why would any team draft your average tight end in the first round?
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:18 am to wadewilson
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Bowers is easily going to be the #1 TE in the draft
I rest my case
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:20 am to Smokeyone
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It’s the UGA group think mentality.
Eh, It’s better than your clueless, jealous hater mentality.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:25 am to kajunman
This is a ignorant comment my friend. Read this quote from a recent article from that Pro Football Focus podcast;
"This is going to be one of the highest prospects that I have ever graded, from a numbers perspective. The way that I have my scouting sheets and scouting breakdowns, I take everything from measurables to combine results, production, film grades, all of that stuff into account. I've got to think Brock Bowers is going to be one of the top-10 players that I've really every scouted since I've ever really started to do this."
Bowers is a different type of athlete. He has no weaknesses. He might be the best athlete to play for UGA since Hershel Walker.
"This is going to be one of the highest prospects that I have ever graded, from a numbers perspective. The way that I have my scouting sheets and scouting breakdowns, I take everything from measurables to combine results, production, film grades, all of that stuff into account. I've got to think Brock Bowers is going to be one of the top-10 players that I've really every scouted since I've ever really started to do this."
Bowers is a different type of athlete. He has no weaknesses. He might be the best athlete to play for UGA since Hershel Walker.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:08 am to koreandawg
“top receiving units”
Thank you
Thank you
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:37 pm to wadewilson
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But at 6'4" and 230 lbs, Bowers is a hair shorter and about 20-25 lbs lighter than your average NFL TE. He's a tweener.
The average size of the top NFL TE's is 6'5", 250 lbs.
That is their NFL weight though, many were a bit lighter in college.
I'm guessing after a year in the NFL, Bowers will be 240-245, which is appropriate given him being an inch shorter.
The top TE taken in this past draft was 6-3, 245 and ran a 4.59.
Bowers has reportedly clocked a 4.48 in the 40. If that's accurate, that makes him faster than WR's like Cedric Tillman and Jordan Addison.
Tweener has a negative connotation. Another way to say it is that he's got the capability to line up at WR, RB, TE and FB and play at a NFL level at any of those positions. Maybe not the best blocking TE or FB or fastest RB or WR, but he can play at the level expected at the NFL for all of those spots.
Wesley Walls is a great comparable for him in terms of versatility, and he was the last guy I remember really playing as a jack of all trades TE. He was 6'5", but a bit lighter than other TE's (240). He didn't have nearly the speed though.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Barion Brown and Dane Key were both named ALL-SEC last season..
I don’t think so
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Barion Brown and Dane Key were both named ALL-SEC last season..
I don’t think so
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:57 pm to wadewilson
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But at 6'4" and 230 lbs, Bowers is a hair shorter and about 20-25 lbs lighter than your average NFL TE. He's a tweener.
Average NFL TE is 6'4.5 and 248.65 lbs. (25% are 6'6 or taller)
There are currently 4 TEs on NFL rosters under 230 lbs.
So, Bowers' size isn't unheard of...but he will be in the lower quadrant of TE's in weight and just average in height.
Average Height and Weight of NFL Tight Ends
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:13 pm to djsdawg
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Why do you think that matters so much?
I'll tell you exactly the answer to this questin. It's because now that "1980" is gone and we've won back to back titles, including zero regular season losses in nearly 3 calendar years, there's simply not much to shite talk about uga right now.
I remember very vividly when I was growing up in the 90s and teams like UF and UT just pummeling us on the field and whenver I would get in debates with fans of those schools I would always have to grasp onto some kind of stat or metric that we were superioer in. With UF it was typically that we still owned the all time series and had more national titles. With UT I don't know but most of hte big talking points were off the table with them anyway so it'd probably be some stupid thing like a recruit or some recent statistical leader we had that they didn't. The point is...it was all a diversion to distract from the fact those teams were whoopiong our arse and dominating nationally while we couldn't win the divison.
Which brings us to the here and now. If you keep an eye peeled and really watch out for it, you'll see it on this board almsto daily. And once you do start to notice it more and more it because all the more comical and a fun game to play. Here we have people talkign shite about bowers becuase he's 15 pounds too light ot be a good NFL tight end. That's one example but there are many all over the place. Basically anything that people can conjure up to make them ever so briefly forget about the fact we're back to back, defending national champions and are more likely than not to complete a 3rd straght regular season without a loss.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:38 pm to WG_Dawg
I think SC's receiving room rating is pretty fair. It could be better or worse
Juice Wells is a baller and should show that again this year. He should get drafted.
Leggette has all the tools and speed to be good, but he could also have a similar year to last year and just be a return man with some catches. I could see it either way.
we upgraded at TE, which sounds funny when we had Stog and Bell. Bell was a one hit wonder with the UNC game and locker room cancer, and Stog just never found his rhythm. I think with Trey Knox we upgrade over stog, and Josh Simons gives us that quick TE without the Bell locker room drama.
We will need some of our young WR's to step up, and if Rattler gets off to a good start its possible.
21 seems fair
Juice Wells is a baller and should show that again this year. He should get drafted.
Leggette has all the tools and speed to be good, but he could also have a similar year to last year and just be a return man with some catches. I could see it either way.
we upgraded at TE, which sounds funny when we had Stog and Bell. Bell was a one hit wonder with the UNC game and locker room cancer, and Stog just never found his rhythm. I think with Trey Knox we upgrade over stog, and Josh Simons gives us that quick TE without the Bell locker room drama.
We will need some of our young WR's to step up, and if Rattler gets off to a good start its possible.
21 seems fair
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:33 pm to djsdawg
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I rest my case
I have not argued about his ability at all. I literally just said he's a little light.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:37 pm to meansonny
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He's also faster, more explosive, and stronger.
The goal of being a first round tight end "is not" to be your average tight end.
Why would any team draft your average tight end in the first round?
This is obfuscation.
I have never argued against his abilities.
There are a lot of NFL TE's that are explosive, strong, and fast, and Bowers will be shorter and lighter than most of them.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:40 pm to DawginSC
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Tweener has a negative connotation.
I don't think so. LSU has made a living over the last decade on tweener linebackers and they'll probably use Harold Perkins as an edge rusher, not ILB, this season. He's almost a tweener at ILB, and a good 30 lbs light and 3" shorter than most rushers.
It's just an observation.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:44 pm to madmaxvol
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So, Bowers' size isn't unheard of...but he will be in the lower quadrant of TE's in weight and just average in height.
Yes.
Which is why I think you'll see him go to a team that already has a bigger TE.
LSU would be unstoppable this year running 12 personnel with Bowers and Taylor.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:45 pm to WG_Dawg
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Here we have people talkign shite about bowers becuase he's 15 pounds too light ot be a good NFL tight end. That's one example but there are many all over the place. Basically anything that people can conjure up to make them ever so briefly forget about the fact we're back to back, defending national champions and are more likely than not to complete a 3rd straght regular season without a loss.
National champions at being oversensitive little bitches.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:10 pm to madmaxvol
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So, Bowers' size isn't unheard of...but he will be in the lower quadrant of TE's in weight and just average in height.
He's in the lower quadrant of NFL TE's in weight... as a sophomore in college.
The reality is he'll be more like 235-240 at the combine and none of this will matter. He'll probably play most of his career at 240-245 in the NFL. Many slightly undersized guys end up with 10 pounds of muscle added after a year in the NFL.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:27 pm to wadewilson
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There are a lot of NFL TE's that are explosive, strong, and fast, and Bowers will be shorter and lighter than most of them.
Eh, not compared to other guys who record top 40 times.
Here are the TE's who ran sub 4.49 at the NFL combine and their weight at the combine.
Vernon Davis - 6'3", 254.
Dorin Dickerson - 6'4", 225.
Evan Ingram - 6'3", 234
This is the speed bracket Bowers is expected to be in.
Vernon Davis was a physical freak. But all three or either shorter or lighter than Bowers is now. And I expect Bowers to be 235-240 and running a 4.45 40 come the combine. This topic really doesn't matter.
**edit** by the way, 247 lists Bowers at 6'4", 240.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 3:30 pm
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