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re: Phil Steele Preseason top 10 for 2016

Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:51 pm to
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:51 pm to
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They had the same talent level last year and finished 16th.


Same talent of course since they return 18 starters. The point was youth vs experience. If anyone understands this it should be an MSU fan considering what Dak did to LSU with a team loaded with experienced players 2 years ago.

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Had they beaten 2 of Bama, Arky, and Ole Miss, it would be a different story.


So it would take LSU being 11-1 last year for you to justify a top 10 ranking going into this year.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 4:56 pm
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:55 pm to
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Unless they go full on spread formation triple option next year I don't see them finishing in the top ten. As much talent as they have, and they have a ton of talent, they don't have the passing game to beat the top teams.


You'll actually see us go offset I a lot more next year. We did this in the bowl game and it was very effective for both Dobbs and Hurd. It still gives us options and Hurd eats up the I.

Our passing woes were downfield in nature and largely do to our OL + losing Pig Howard, North (yes, he played but he might as well not have because he was injured so much) and Croom. When our OL gives time for the QB to throw and WRs to get open the passing game is actually pretty good -- the trouble was they couldn't do that very well.

When you can pick up 4 to 5 yards running almost every down you really don't have to have a huge passing threat, just enough of one.

If our secondary had been better we would've won every game we lost except for Bama where the secondary played lights out. For all the offenses problems they were one of the best last year whereas the defense despite a killer line let us down early in the season.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:58 pm to
I'm not a MSU fan. The experience argument would have worked if your team wasnt getting beat at the end of the year.

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So it would take LSU being 11-1 last year for you to justify a top 10 ranking going into this year. 

No but the way the games lined up with them at the end they could have lost to someone else earlier. Plus we are talking top 5, one team away from the playoffs. Returning 18 starters on a team that lost 3 of its last 5 by double digits doesn't scream almost playoff team.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 5:08 pm
Posted by hehatedrew
New Zealand
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 5:00 pm to
You sound like an msu fan.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 5:27 pm to
You won't go 4-5 yards a carry against the top of the line up though. Against the teams with something in their britches you need to back them up from the line of scrimmage.

Which, with the right play calling, the Vols can do. Dobbs on a rollout throw/run option would be terrifying. He most certainly has the intelligence to pick the right choice most of the time.

Ideally the Vols want to hammer with the run game, throw just enough of those roll out short passes to keep teams honest, and then hit the home run pass when its there.

Or use the great speed Dobbs has to torch people on the option.

With any luck both.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70900 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 5:29 pm to
I thought you were an MSU fan sporting an AU logo for some reason. I thought I remembered you but I guess not.

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The experience argument would have worked if your team wasnt getting beat at the end of the year.



Makes no sense logically. But 2 of those 3 were good teams. Arkansas always plays LSU tough.

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No but the way the games lined up with them at the end they could have lost to someone else earlier


But they didn't. You said you'd need LSU to go 11-1 to justify that ranking this year. There is no way to spin that as it is what you said. Winning 2 of their 3 losses would be 11-1.

I'll give you the double digit loss justification, but earlier you said LSU doesn't belong anywhere near the top 10 IIRC?
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 8:55 pm
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 5:29 pm to
They may have been it...
Posted by TheDarrell McSteal
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 5:44 pm to
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You won't go 4-5 yards a carry against the top of the line up though. Against the teams with something in their britches you need to back them up from the line of scrimmage.

Which, with the right play calling, the Vols can do. Dobbs on a rollout throw/run option would be terrifying. He most certainly has the intelligence to pick the right choice most of the time.

Ideally the Vols want to hammer with the run game, throw just enough of those roll out short passes to keep teams honest, and then hit the home run pass when its there.

Or use the great speed Dobbs has to torch people on the option.

With any luck both.


I agree with most of this. Passing game obviously needs to improve to make the offense less predictable and take some of the heat off Hurd/Kamara, no doubt. Some of that was Dobbs but a lot of that was receivers. Remember the drops Josh Malone and Preston Williams had against the Hogs? If those two step up, I can definitely see VOLS passing game becoming much, much better.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 6:17 pm to
Looks like Phil Steele just wants to sell magazines by tickling some balls.
Posted by Miguelblethernov
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Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:45 pm to
DOWNVOTE!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by TheCosbySweater
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:48 pm to
No ole miss? List is shite
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 10:35 am to
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1. Alabama
Looks right to me.
Posted by Pinche Cabron
TN
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 10:54 am to
Ole Miss fans wouldn't want to be in the top 10?
Posted by Bama3714
Alabama
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 11:49 am to
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I feel your pain. We did the same against alabama in:
1998, 2008, 2012, and 2014.


2008? The heck?
Posted by Ericvol2096
Charleston, SC
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:55 am to
Beating Grierless UF at home barely isn't anything to brag about.
Posted by Ericvol2096
Charleston, SC
Member since May 2013
2588 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 10:00 am to
Reports are that Preston Williams is looking like an absolute beast monster now that his knee is fully healed.

If he, JJ and Malone all improve to catch up with the consistency of Josh Smith...watch out for our passing game and overall O.
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 10:05 am to
I was the 54th person to downvotes this POS OP.
Posted by TheDarrell McSteal
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 10:39 am to
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I was the 54th person to downvotes this POS OP.


Surprised you weren't on page 1 with your boyfriend TT9. What happened? Did your mom forget to pay your AOL dial up bill?
Posted by daltonvol
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 11:35 am to
Cajunbama chases his wine coolers with strawberry lemonade.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 11:38 am to
I was first.
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