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re: Penn St won the Big 10. Are they not the best team in the conference?

Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:28 pm to
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IS THAT DECISIVE ENOUGH FOR YOU


Not for anyone. 21-0 and getting to the 50 twice though was.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:29 pm to
actually on any given day saturday michigan probably is
Posted by LSUdiehard4LIFE
Youngsville
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:52 pm to
POINT IS THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME IF ALL EVERYONE IS WORRIED ABOUT IS CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:55 pm to
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POINT IS THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME IF ALL EVERYONE IS WORRIED ABOUT IS CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS


I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S WORRIED ABOUT CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS ANY MORE. It's obvious they don't hold much water with CFP committee members.
Posted by LSUdiehard4LIFE
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:00 pm to
THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THIS WHOLE POST?
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:02 pm to
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If not, why are conference championships even awarded?


If Penn State went 8-4, losing 4 non conference games and Ohio State went 11-1 losing to Penn State, would you say that Penn State is the best team in the conference?
Posted by LSUdiehard4LIFE
Youngsville
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:39 pm to
yes that would make them by record the best team in the conference, but losing to 4 out of conference opponents means you're not one of the 4 best teams in the country
Posted by TNG8r
TN
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:40 pm to
If UF had beaten Bama would they have been the best team in the conference? NO
Posted by LSUdiehard4LIFE
Youngsville
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:42 pm to
So you would take an 18th ranked ACC Conf Champ, over a 6th ranked 11-1 SEC runner up for the final 4 playoff spots?
Posted by TroyTider
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:43 pm to
Why do you hate T-shirt, ring, banner and trophy companies?
Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:56 pm to
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Penn St won the Big 10. Are they not the best team in the conference?


They are best team in conference play.

There was another quarter of the season that doesn't matter for conference championships but does matter for winning a national championship

eta - If they both had the same record and Penn State won the conference championship game, they would have been in over Ohio State.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:02 pm to
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Penn St won the Big 10. Are they not the best team in the conference?


They are best team in conference play. There was another quarter of the season that doesn't matter for conference championships but does matter for winning a national championship


And with this ^^^^ my friend, today, you are the winner of the internet
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:48 pm to
Exactly. A conf champ is a conf champ. It means something, but it's not the same as playing for the title. If 9-2 is automatically worse than 10-1 we are back to playing powder puff off season games
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 5:24 pm to
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Germans but yes ... they beat OSU AND won the B1G.


Which to me is more important than OSU having one less loss.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20193 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 5:52 pm to
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Are they not the best team in the conference?


Because you could have it where a lot of weak teams are all on one side on the conference(see SEC East) yet catch lightning in a bottle one game...are we supposed to overlook the entire rest of the season and deem a four loss team as the best team in the conference to an undefeated team they just lucked up and beat?

If that is the case, while we are at it, let's just have all the conference champs in the playoff...5 teams...top 3 records get a bye(tie breaker could be opponent win percent), be prepared for some shitty teams to get in from time to time but according to some conference champ game winners are ALL that matter.
Posted by Hussss
Living the Dream
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:33 pm to
The BEST team in the Big 10 is the one that beat the champ by 39 and got hosed on too many calls to count in Columbus.
Posted by Mars duMorgue
Sunset Dist/SF
Member since Aug 2015
2816 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:35 pm to
They violated the Saban-Meyer Rule and were appropriately punished.
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22454 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 6:53 pm to
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Exactly. A conf champ is a conf champ. It means something, but it's not the same as playing for the title. If 9-2 is automatically worse than 10-1 we are back to playing powder puff off season games



I think it is a little more complicated than that. The committee hedged. Ohio State in and Washington.

I think Oklahoma would argue they were penalized more for playing a tough OOC while Washington did not.

So, you can still get in playing powder puff games OOC as long as you also win a conference championship, apparently. You can also get in if you play and tough OOC and barely miss getting to play in your conference championship.

The issue will continue to arise as long there are four spots and five major conferences. That does not mean we should go to more teams, but we might as well acknowledge there will always be room for debate as to whether the best teams got in that year.
Posted by CarpeTide
Member since Aug 2012
45 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:32 pm to
In 2004, if Alabama was the undefeated team they would have played for the title. I feel like you know that now. Now go to bed, Daddy Crimson Tide got some bills to pay. Go have fun in the sugar bowl, get yourself a hand granade & have a ball.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 8:33 pm
Posted by the TUSK
In your head.
Member since Jul 2016
46 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:38 pm to
1) No.
2) You shouldn't.
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