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Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:00 pm to Monticello
quote:I agree with you.
Most accomplished = absolutely, no question
If he wins another national championship, or helps steer Alabama in that direction, he'll have won 3 rings as a starting quarterback and 1 in a year he was being redshirted. That would be a total of 4.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:01 pm to Broke
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He's like the Jacob Hester of QB's. He just trudges along and gets it done.
Simplistic as it is, that's actually an apt comparison.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:01 pm to Rabern57
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Auburn would not have sniffed a NC in 2010 with AJ instead of Cam.
Duh, but that's not a brag, that's a huge indictment of Auburn's 2010 team. If you need a freak of nature athlete to win, that's not exactly a good system.
Auburn sucked before Cam and sucked after. What does that tell you about Auburn's system?
Your strategy for winning can't be to wait for a once in a generation player and hope for the best.
Alabama's system is one such that if you plug in any solid QB you're still gonna have a great team.
That's how you build a sustained winner. Your system can't be so specialized you're at the mercy of specific personel.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:01 pm to PetroAg
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You could plug in almost any of the starting SEC QB's into the Alabama system and see minimal drop off in the team's success.
What?!
Sorry, but I don't think any other QB in the SEC last year would have put together the drive to beat LSU.
This includes Manziel.
McCarron is undervalued if anything.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:02 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:Yeah and there is no pressure when you are up by that much. Its not near as hard to look good when the other realizes they have lost and are not playing as hard. And I am not saying he isn't good. Just not great as far he's the QB that will win the games for you. Auburn would have been a little better with him last year but we would have still lost most our games.
Because he doesn't have to because we're usually up by a couple thousand points at the end of every game - with a couple exceptions.
He threw 30 TDs last year with only 3 interceptions and right around 3000 yards passing.
That's pretty good, by the way.
This post was edited on 7/18/13 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:05 pm to Rabern57
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He's far from the best QB ever. He just has been on teams with alot of talent and good defenses. He just doesn't do anything to cost his team the games. Thats almost like saying the towel boy is the best in history because he was on teams that got that many NCs. If he was having to win the games and make the big plays he would not do as well.
Because we have never put a game on AJ's soldiers and had him go win it for us.
My question for the board is what makes a QB "better"? I don't think AJ is the best QB ever but some of the guys you throw out there like Luck what did they accomplish if anything? Had Saban signed Luck instead of Star Jackson you guys would call him a game manager was well. Being reckless with the football like some QB's (seriously I would die if a QB threw 9 or more INT's) doesn't make you a good QB. Having a strong arm and not winning ballgames doesn't make you a good QB. QB is just one position of 11 on the field.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:08 pm to Rabern57
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Yeah and there is no pressure when you are up by that much.
How the frick you think we are "up that much?"
Here's a hint: It's not because the defense is throwing 30 TD passes.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:11 pm to Libertyabides71
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I don't think AJ is the best QB ever but some of the guys you throw out there like Luck what did they accomplish if anything?
Well, Luck was first pick overall to begin with.
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Had Saban signed Luck instead of Star Jackson you guys would call him a game manager was well.
I seriously doubt that. Luck is a special talent.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:12 pm to Rabern57
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Yeah and there is no pressure when you are up by that much. Its not near as hard to look good when the other realizes they have lost and are not playing as hard. And I am not saying he isn't good. Just not great as far he's the QB that will win the games for you. Auburn would have been a little better with him last year but we would have still lost most our games.
Because AJ has never won games for us. He is a pro style QB he is completely dependent on his line his backs and his receivers. Heck Peyton Manning would not have won Auburn many more games.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:13 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:The defense stopping the other team and causing momentum swings. The defense getting the offense the ball on short fields and the RBs carrying the load. The thread is about AJ being the best QB ever and he is far from it. He may have alot of NC rings but its not because he is so great he is blowing everyone out with his QB play like great QBs do. He just isn't causing his team to lose by turning the ball over.
How the frick you think we are "up that much?"
quote:If Chizik couldn't screw Cam up he wouldn't be able to screw Peyton up enough to lose either.
Because AJ has never won games for us. He is a pro style QB he is completely dependent on his line his backs and his receivers. Heck Peyton Manning would not have won Auburn many more games.
This post was edited on 7/18/13 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:13 pm to IAmReality
quote:8-5 is considered "sucking" now?
Auburn sucked before Cam and sucked after. What does that tell you about Auburn's system?
quote:Have you even watched Auburn football, save the last couple of seasons?
Your strategy for winning can't be to wait for a once in a generation player and hope for the best.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:13 pm to wadewilson
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Well, Luck was first pick overall to begin with.
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Had Saban signed Luck instead of Star Jackson you guys would call him a game manager was well.
I seriously doubt that. Luck is a special talent.
Luck was a 4 star Pro Style QB, AJ was a 4 star Pro style QB. What is the difference? AJ for his credit is more mobile and has accomplished more but don't let that stop you.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:13 pm to FourThreeForty
Saban coaches to win games, not to glorify the QB and pad his stats and showcase his talents.
If you need your QB to throw for 400 yards and 4 TD's every game to have a chance to win, you may have a great QB, but you have a shitty football team.
If you need your QB to throw for 400 yards and 4 TD's every game to have a chance to win, you may have a great QB, but you have a shitty football team.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:14 pm to Rabern57
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The defense stopping the other team and causing momentum swings. The defense getting the offense the ball on short fields and the RBs carrying the load. The thread is about AJ being the best QB ever and he is far from it. He may have alot of NC rings but its not because he is so great he is blowing everyone out with his QB play like great QBs do. He just isn't causing his team to lose by turning the ball over.
Have you seen any of our ball games?
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:14 pm to Libertyabides71
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More mobile
You're kidding right. Luck was known for his punishing scrambles dude.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:15 pm to Libertyabides71
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AJ for his credit is more mobile
AJ is good but im not sure about this
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:16 pm to Libertyabides71
quote:AJ McCarron wasn't, and will never be, more mobile than Andrew Luck.
AJ for his credit is more mobile
Maybe you should watch some film.
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:17 pm to TTsTowel
I like how he almost catches his receiver here.
This post was edited on 7/18/13 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 7/18/13 at 3:20 pm to Libertyabides71
quote:About every one. And AJ is not blowing people away with the plays he is making. He is just managing the game and not screwing up. No one has AJ pegged as the #1 pick because he is so great. He is good but not anywhere near the best QB ever.
Have you seen any of our ball games?
This post was edited on 7/18/13 at 3:27 pm
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