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re: Other than the paycheck why do people do the SEC thing?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:11 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:11 pm to Cheese Grits
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You are missing the boat.
You're in a submarine and can't see around you. The BTN teamed up with shitty Fox Sports and the even shittier PTN didn't team up with anybody. The SEC and ESPN will be everywhere. Major carriers will use the duo as the anchor for their sports packages.
I don't pay for BTN specifically but I get it on DirecTV as part of my "Basic Extra" package. You can bet the SECN will be more appealing than BTN nationwide.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 12:12 pm
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:28 pm to Kentucker
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I don't pay for BTN specifically but I get it on DirecTV as part of my "Basic Extra" package.
Folks without pay TV (the rabbit ear crowd)
Folks unplugging from cable
Folks with just basic
Carriage rates and terms are a brutal business. It is not cut and dry as you imply. You get BTN, but you are in the "extra" crowd. You did not say you got the PTN. Do you live in or near the BTN and not the PTN?
Who has greater penetration?
a) ESPN
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b) ESPN U
I am guessing there is a big difference in the households reached and a big part of that is carriage rate resistance.
The highest ad revenue goes to the highest audience
If the Super Bowl or NBA Finals are seen all over the globe for free vs some lesser game in a regional market for a fee. Which generates the most ad revenue?
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:20 pm to Cheese Grits
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Folks without pay TV (the rabbit ear crowd)
Folks unplugging from cable
Folks with just basic
The above doesn't represent a significant portion of the sports-watching audience.
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Carriage rates and terms are a brutal business. It is not cut and dry as you imply. You get BTN, but you are in the "extra" crowd. You did not say you got the PTN. Do you live in or near the BTN and not the PTN?
It doesn't matter where I live (which is Lexington, BTW). I have DTV, which didn't pick up PTN. DTV will carry the SECN and it will be at least as available as BTN. Dish and Uverse have already picked up the SECN. Comcast and DTV are in negotiations. SECN will dwarf BTN.
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The highest ad revenue goes to the highest audience
This is the key as to why the SECN will be available everywhere. With ESPN as a partner, all carriers will be brow beaten into offering the SECN free or as cheaply as possible.
The Big X knows the SECN TV domination is coming. That's why they made that stupid move of adding Maryland and Rutgers simply because they're in dense population areas. It was a really stupid move on their part.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:01 pm to DoUrden
I pull for LSU because they're always forced to play the toughest schedule.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:24 pm to Kentucker
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It doesn't matter where I live
If you live in LEX you get BTN because it is a "bleed" state. Lots of B1G alumni in LOU and CIN that bleed down to LEX market. It is probably why you do not get PAC because no demand in that area for PAC. Same will apply when OR or WA got to add SEC TV, with area pro and college teams the market is more competitive so adding the SEC has vary limited value to existing market values.
There are what 300 - 350 million americans and Direct TV has a market penetration of 20 million?
20 / 350 = 5.7% of the population, not exactly a position to make demands from
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20 / 300 = 6.7% of the population, not exactly a position to make demands from
When I start seeing BTN and PTN on basic cable in the SEC footprint then I will buy SECTV getting broad coverage outside the SEC footprint. If FOX has the B1G and the PAC is split between ESPN and FOX for your scenario to work they would have to "swap" markets. ESPN forces the SEC footprint to take the PAC in exchange for the PAC footprint to carry SEC TV. Do you really see this happening, because I do not.
ESPN and FOX are programmers
TWC / Comcast are carriers
Now look at this from a business perspective and you are TWC getting a big markup to carry say the PTN in the PTN footprint, yet because ESPN asks you, you say you will carry the PTN for free in the SEC footprint. How do you protect the value of the franchise (premium) in 1 place when giving it away (free) in another?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:55 pm to DoUrden
it's surprising that this question would even get asked. if you're a fan of an sec team and another sec team loses, it damages your sec team. if you pull for tenn and bama loses, it's bad for tenn. it's strength of schedule. you want every team you play to win every game they play except for when they play you because that makes your sos better. the stronger the conference is, the stronger your team is, even if you don't win all your games, because you're playing better competition.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:05 pm to bfniii
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it's surprising that this question would even get asked.
not really
You want the conference to dominate the OOC especially the top OOC games. You would prefer 1 team to cull the conference every year but the deeper the conference the lower the probability this actually happens.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:06 pm to DoUrden
Because it's far better for you for your conference opponent to win than to lose. This is the case with any sport that has selection committees, playoffs, RPI, etc. In case y'all haven't figured it out - we get all those bowl selections on the strength of our conference and the strength of our conference is often the tie-breaker when they decide between two teams with equal records who is going to the Natty. Likewise we got snubbed in the NCAA tourney with only 3 selections because our conference was considered weak (at least 2 other teams should've gotten in based on who got in from other conferences) and after all 3 of those teams making to the sweet 16, two in the final four, and one in the finals, our conference may get better seeding next year AND more picks.
The SEC is family to me and it's the same for many Southerners - we have family and friends all over the South and so we have connections to teams that aren't our own. I cheer for SEC schools in the post season because I believe we're the best conference in the college sports and in sports where we haven't gotten there yet I want us to be there. Success builds upon success.
The SEC is family to me and it's the same for many Southerners - we have family and friends all over the South and so we have connections to teams that aren't our own. I cheer for SEC schools in the post season because I believe we're the best conference in the college sports and in sports where we haven't gotten there yet I want us to be there. Success builds upon success.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:07 pm to DoUrden
I don't do it. I also don't understand when people just pick a random team without a connection to it, either via locale, or family.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:09 pm to Prof
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The SEC is family to me and it's the same for many Southerners - we have family and friends all over the South and so we have connections to teams that aren't our own. I cheer for SEC schools in the post season because I believe we're the best conference in the college sports and in sports where we haven't gotten there yet I want us to be there. Success builds upon success.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:11 pm to nc14
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On the the field, and in here, it's fight like brothers. Out there, in the NCAA universe, we are one...won.
Exactly.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:57 pm to Cheese Grits
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When I start seeing BTN and PTN on basic cable in the SEC footprint then I will buy SECTV getting broad coverage outside the SEC footprint. If FOX has the B1G and the PAC is split between ESPN and FOX for your scenario to work they would have to "swap" markets. ESPN forces the SEC footprint to take the PAC in exchange for the PAC footprint to carry SEC TV. Do you really see this happening, because I do not.
Put your periscope up. ESPN has no motivation to promote the BTN or PTN. They are competitors with ESPN's SEC programming starting in August. Also, they don't have the national appeal of the SEC. SEC football is the engine driving the ESPN train and the network's marketing capabilities are far and away more powerful than that of Fox.
ESPN and the SEC will eat Fox and the Big X's lunch.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:08 pm to Kentucker
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ESPN and the SEC will eat Fox and the Big X's lunch.
SEC and B1G are providers of content = pizza ingredients
ESPN and FOX are broadcasters = pizza maker
Dish, TWC, Comcast, etc are carriers = delivery boy
We are the consumers = folks that pay for pizza and eat it
ESPN can market the hell out of the SEC till the cows come home but they do not have the delivery system. Without the delivery boy the pizza just goes stale at the store. How is this hard to understand? ESPN does not own the "franchise" in your town, it is licensed to a "delivery boy" like TWC or Direct TV via federal, state, and local governments. In Lexington, TWC is a delivery boy but the LFUCG holds his license to deliver. ESPN does not own or control this license.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:11 pm to DoUrden
Well bama is a rival. I really have no problem pulling for pretty much most teams in the East. but I will never pull for a rival team.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:13 pm to DoUrden
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live vicariously though my rivals.
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Other than the paycheck
The frick is this shite? Where's my money?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:26 pm to junkfunky
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The frick is this shite? Where's my money?
We replaced your check with 2 free tickets to TSiO this year.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:51 pm to DoUrden
I hate our rivals, but for the most part I respect SEC teams because I know how hard it is to win in this conference. That is definitely worthy of respect. At least with an SEC team you know they didnt skate through with some pussy arse Big12 schedule.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 5:44 pm to DoUrden
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I don't get it, I would never pull for Bama. I know UT is mired in shite right now and it happens to most teams, but I will not live vicariously though my rivals.
This should be an obvious answer, especially to a FB team as bad as UT has been. It makes you guys look better if all the teams you're losing to are really good. Sort of like a SOS perspective. You can point at the teams you beat and say that's why they're impressive wins and you can point at the teams you lost too and say they're a damn good team.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:55 pm to Cheese Grits
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ESPN can market the hell out of the SEC till the cows come home but they do not have the delivery system. Without the delivery boy the pizza just goes stale at the store. How is this hard to understand? ESPN does not own the "franchise" in your town, it is licensed to a "delivery boy" like TWC or Direct TV via federal, state, and local governments. In Lexington, TWC is a delivery boy but the LFUCG holds his license to deliver. ESPN does not own or control this license.
We'll have to wait and see. You don't think ESPN has the power to get its programming carried by any "delivery boy" they choose. I do. They're just too big and strong to be ignored.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 7:30 pm to Cheese Grits
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SEC and B1G are providers of content = pizza ingredients
ESPN and FOX are broadcasters = pizza maker
Dish, TWC, Comcast, etc are carriers = delivery boy
We are the consumers = folks that pay for pizza and eat it
ESPN can market the hell out of the SEC till the cows come home but they do not have the delivery system. Without the delivery boy the pizza just goes stale at the store. How is this hard to understand? ESPN does not own the "franchise" in your town, it is licensed to a "delivery boy" like TWC or Direct TV via federal, state, and local governments. In Lexington, TWC is a delivery boy but the LFUCG holds his license to deliver. ESPN does not own or control this license.
The delivery boy has already arrived. Dish is available everywhere and it carries the SEC Network. In fact, the founder (and former CEO) of Dish is an alumnus of the University of Tennessee. So while I understand what you're basing your statements on it was no surprise to me when this was announced just last month:
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ESPN and DISH have reached an agreement for nationwide carriage of the SEC Network on DISH when the multiplatform network launches, August 14, 2014. The deal is part of a larger comprehensive long-term distribution agreement announced by DISH and the Walt Disney Company. DISH is the SEC Network’s first nationwide television provider.
The channel will be available to fans and followers of the Southeastern Conference in DISH’s America’s Top 120+ and higher packages across the country. DISH subscribers will also have authenticated access to additional live events scheduled for the SEC Network’s digital platform, with the ability to watch SEC Network content anytime, anywhere on their television, computer, tablet or mobile device.
LINK
This isn't an 'a la carte' service but packaged in with America's Top 120+ (basically the service you want if you're dish subscriber - a fantastic package btw) and it's nationwide (Some guy in BFE Arizona, Maine, or Michigan with that package will have the SEC Network). No matter where you live the channel is a part of the package.
AT&T U-Verse is also on board for nationwide delivery and the SEC Network's FAQ page notes they're dedicated to full fledged nationwide delivery - no footprint measures this network is going to bundled just like Discovery, the Food Network, etc. as a part of mid-range tv packages nationwide.
DirectTV will hop on board or they'll lose out to Dish which already has the best tech right now. I've been a subscriber to both and switched to Dish about a year ago and am much happier with Dish. I can watch tv anywhere even away from home (I can whip out my iphone or ipod and watch at work if I choose too - you can even prepare a DVR recording and transfer it to you iphone/ipod/ipad to watch whenever and without the need to be connected online) and Dish has been great at keeping their apps, plugins, and mobile based software up to date.
Comcast will figure itself out once all of their mergers are sorted out.
ETA: Ironically Dish also carries the Big Ten Network but that coverage is limited to a footprint. Sometimes it pays to have an alum in your conference who's happy to broadcast the SEC to everyone.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 7:40 pm
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