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Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:08 pm to RT1941
Nutt isn't named in the investigation. Probably should be your first clue that the NCAA view Saunders and Vaughn alone as responsible here. Those two guys WERE on Nutts staff. Semantics aside, there is no way that the NCAA view the university responsible(new pres, AD, and HC) and yet somehow not the coach who those two coached under.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 4:04 pm to Crimson Legend
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, these happened under a completely different staff, and none of the current players or coaches have anything to do with it.
Oh you mean like Penn State?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 4:24 pm to VivaZapata27
quote:you are going to be pretty disappointed
Nutt isn't named in the investigation. Probably should be your first clue that the NCAA view Saunders and Vaughn alone as responsible here. Those two guys WERE on Nutts staff. Semantics aside, there is no way that the NCAA view the university responsible(new pres, AD, and HC) and yet somehow not the coach who those two coached under.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 4:31 pm to VivaZapata27
quote:The NCAA has no jurisdiction over Houston Nutt any longer, and Houston Nutt isn't beholden to the NCAA in any capacity.
Nutt isn't named in the investigation. Probably should be your first clue that the NCAA view Saunders and Vaughn alone as responsible here. Those two guys WERE on Nutts staff. Semantics aside, there is no way that the NCAA view the university responsible(new pres, AD, and HC) and yet somehow not the coach who those two coached under.
I think the NCAA already viewed the University responsible and totally overlooked Nutt as his name never appeared in the NOA.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 5:01 pm to Crimson Legend
How do you pronounce Houston's last name in Spanish?...Cajone?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 5:29 pm to RT1941
Again, the fact that Nutt never showed up on an NOA should be your first clue. Silly to say that they can't hold him accountable but could punish the 'school'. He and the former AD WERE the school for all intents and purposes.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 5:30 pm to narddogg81
You mean you HOPE I'm going to be disappointed.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 5:35 pm to VivaZapata27
quote:Haven't they already held the school accountable though? If a Level I infraction resulted from the actions of those old staffers holds true, then they will indeed punish the school.
Again, the fact that Nutt never showed up on an NOA should be your first clue. Silly to say that they can't hold him accountable but could punish the 'school'. He and the former AD WERE the school for all intents and purposes.
The institution (OM) wasn't in control of Saunders & Vaughn when academic fraud transpired and someone in admissions at OM or the NCAA clearinghouse failed to monitor the drastic swing in test scores. shite was overlooked, but the cheating took place nonetheless and it was organized by Saunders.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 5:39 pm to RT1941
I believe the NCAA will do what it has said its goal is and punish the individuals responsible for violations. Rebs will lose scholarships and get probation, but if the NCAA is honest about how they want to penalize, little of that will be because of the Saunders stuff. There is a reason he got the longest show cause in NCAA history.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:24 pm to VivaZapata27
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Or they can do what they are almost certainly going to do and PUNISH THE COACHES INVOLVED. Which makes too much sense for you to probably comprehend.
Can you name any cases where the NCAA punished only the coaches involved? You can't. So on what basis do you believe they will "almost certainly" do that?
One of the first rules in life as an adult: Don't be smug when you're fricking clueless.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:26 pm to Crimson Legend
You can't be fricking serious? That's supposedly their new standard. i never said they would ONLY punish the coaches involved, but you can't name another case where the infractions are six years old and not one primary from coaches to administrators are still involved at the school. But yeah, there are several cases where the coaches got almost all of the brunt of the punishment. Keep up or shut up.
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:39 pm to VivaZapata27
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You can't be fricking serious? That's supposedly their new standard. i never said they would ONLY punish the coaches involved, but you can't name another case where the infractions are six years old and not one primary from coaches to administrators are still involved at the school. But yeah, there are several cases where the coaches got almost all of the brunt of the punishment. Keep up or shut up.
General statements and insults is not the same as naming a case.
The NCAA is completely arbitrary, they do what they want. They crippled Penn State with absolutely no precedent on "violations" that had nothing to do with the sport. And then they suddenly reversed it all. You're not dealing with the US justice system, you're dealing with an institution that makes up its own rules. Enjoy.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:43 pm to Crimson Legend
Link added for you. Secondly, NCAA knew they were in the wrong and went back and changed their punishment on penn State.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:44 pm to Crimson Legend
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:54 pm to VivaZapata27
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Link added for you
"In addition, Southern Miss will see a reduction in available scholarships by five over the next three years. The university must also pay a $5,000 fine as well as an amount equal to 1 percent of the men's basketball program's average total budget over the past three seasons.
Southern Miss also self-imposed a number of other penalties, including a reduction in the number of official visits during the 2015-16 season by three, the prohibition from hosting any unofficial visits for a period of 10 weeks before the beginning of the fall 2016 semester, the restriction in recruiting communications with prospects by 10 weeks before the beginning of the fall 2016 semester and a reduction in men’s basketball off-campus recruiting days during the 2015-16 season by 25."
So the school got serious punishment, irrespective of the coaches. 5 lost scholarships over 3 years in basketball is huge.
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Secondly, NCAA knew they were in the wrong and went back and changed their punishment on penn State.
So they hammered Penn State essentially because they were disgusted by the actions (as we all were), ignoring the fact that it was outside their scope because it had nothing to do with sports. And then they suddenly decided they were in the wrong and reversed course.
We're making the same point - for you to believe that it is a foregone conclusion that Ole Miss will not be significantly impacted by the actions of the former coaching staff is not grounded in fact. It is simply wishful thinking.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:01 pm to Crimson Legend
Neither of us know. There isn't a precedent for going back that far with all of the primaries gone. We do know that the desire is to punish the primaries more and the kids less. We also know that the head coach during that period is not being held under any scrutiny at all when he damn well could be. There is a lot of wishful thinking on a lot of people's part, not only Ole Miss fans.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:43 pm to bbvdd
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I think you could say that the "lack of institutional control" defined is having back to back head coaching hires hit with major NCAA violations
Good point. It is not necessarily about a coach, it's the institution.
The cheating on the ACT scores is pretty bad. Add that to the possibility that there is evidence Ole Miss has been paying recruits to visit, is as bad as it gets.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:44 pm to Ham Solo
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I think a proper punishment would be a mandate that Houston Nutt must come back and coach Ole Miss for the next 10 years.
Then they should give Houston Nutt a just-cause penalty, which means he should show why he shouldn't coach Arkansas for another 10 years after that.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:06 pm to Central Pork
With back to back coaching staffs + back to back Athletic Directors having heavy sanctions against them from academic fraud to this pissy little Tunail shite + violations against two other sports programs......if that's not considered Lack of Institutional Control then what the frick is?
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