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Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:51 am
I haven't seen this part discussed before, and I'm curious about it. Setting aside the violations associated with the current staff for a moment, and assume for the sake of argument that the ACT fraud charges under Nutt's watch are true:
1. What will the NCAA do about them?
2. What SHOULD they do?
The fact is, these happened under a completely different staff, and none of the current players or coaches have anything to do with it. But history demonstrates that the NCAA usually holds the school accountable, regardless of the fact that the accused violators are all gone. It seems like these are very serious, and unless the NCAA takes a different approach than they have in the past, Ole Miss could be looking at a major situation irrespective of the accusations of the current staff.
1. What will the NCAA do about them?
2. What SHOULD they do?
The fact is, these happened under a completely different staff, and none of the current players or coaches have anything to do with it. But history demonstrates that the NCAA usually holds the school accountable, regardless of the fact that the accused violators are all gone. It seems like these are very serious, and unless the NCAA takes a different approach than they have in the past, Ole Miss could be looking at a major situation irrespective of the accusations of the current staff.
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:56 am to Crimson Legend
Didn't Ole Miss already concede they were true, and self imposed penalties with the hope that the NCAA would go along with them?
ETA: I'm not following this as close as others, and could be completely wrong
ETA: I'm not following this as close as others, and could be completely wrong
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:58 am to blacknblu
I think a proper punishment would be a mandate that Houston Nutt must come back and coach Ole Miss for the next 10 years.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:59 am to Ham Solo
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I think a proper punishment would be a mandate that Houston Nutt must come back and coach Ole Miss for the next 10 years.
best idea for punishment i've seen.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:02 am to Crimson Legend
What can they do? He is such a terrible coach SMU didn't even want him. All it does is give schools another reason not to hire him. As for OM they fired him what else can they do about it?
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:03 am to Ham Solo
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I think a proper punishment would be a mandate that Houston Nutt must come back and coach Ole Miss for the next 10 years
I would rather get the death penalty.
Although he always did well with other peoples players might be a good 2-3 years before it all falls apart.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:06 am to blacknblu
Ole Miss did self impose penalties. Whether they conceded that these specific accusations were true is not known, as far as I know. If they are true, I would be surprised if the NCAA accepts the penalties as sufficient. It's pretty damning if members of the coaching staff were involved.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:07 am to Crimson Legend
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:08 am to Crimson Legend
ncaa gonna bust a Nutt on ole miss
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:11 am to Crimson Legend
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The fact is, these happened under a completely different staff, and none of the current players or coaches have anything to do with it. But history demonstrates that the NCAA usually holds the school accountable, regardless of the fact that the accused violators are all gone.
So you're one of those, " It ain't cheatin' till you get caught" kind of guys huh?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:34 pm to Crimson Legend
Chris Vaughn charges you mean.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:36 pm to piggilicious
Please no I beg of you
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:43 pm to Crimson Legend
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The fact is, these happened under a completely different staff, and none of the current players or coaches have anything to do with it.
To me this doesn't matter. If you hold a head coach responsible for everything that goes on in a football program, then you hold the school responsible for the head coach. Otherwise schools will hire corrupt coach after corrupt coach, and every time they get close to being caught they fire the coach and escape responsibility/punishment.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:44 pm to Ham Solo
Sadist
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:45 pm to Ham Solo
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I think a proper punishment would be a mandate that Houston Nutt must come back and coach Ole Miss for the next 10 years.
At half the salary he was being paid before. (But the school must pay twice the coaches salary to the NCAA) that way the coach and the school gets punished.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:47 pm to DawgsLife
It matters. Kids at Ole Miss now don't even know who David Saunders is. The only logical course is to issue the show causes to the two coaches and possibly look into games played years ago with ineligible players.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:34 pm to VivaZapata27
quote:lol, the punishment is for the school, not the kids or even the coaches (the coaches involved already have show clauses). Saunders was employed at ole miss like 4 different times, and is this supposed to be the only thing he pulled in all that time. The university is responsible to the ncaa for who they hired and what those people did while there. Having coaches directly involved in rugging act scores is going to get a school hammered just in its own, plus add in all the other numerous level 1 violations, and the ones still being investigated, plus the fact that this will be the first major case under the new guilines and you are boned. If the ncaa wants to avoid punishing the players they will let them transfer without penalty if they want to
It matters. Kids at Ole Miss now don't even know who David Saunders is. The only logical course is to issue the show causes to the two coaches and possibly look into games played years ago with ineligible players
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:42 pm to narddogg81
If the ncaa wants to avoid punishing the players they will let them transfer without penalty if they want to
Or they can do what they are almost certainly going to do and PUNISH THE COACHES INVOLVED. Which makes too much sense for you to probably comprehend.
Or they can do what they are almost certainly going to do and PUNISH THE COACHES INVOLVED. Which makes too much sense for you to probably comprehend.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:47 pm to narddogg81
I think you could say that the "lack of institutional control" defined is having back to back head coaching hires hit with major NCAA violations.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:55 pm to VivaZapata27
quote:Do you think throwing a show cause on Houston Nutt when he can't even beg a job in coaching is punishment for him?
Or they can do what they are almost certainly going to do and PUNISH THE COACHES INVOLVED. Which makes too much sense for you to probably comprehend.
How hired Saunders? Did Nutt bring him from Arkansas or was Saunders already at OM?
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