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Ole Miss cheated and im not defending that.. but the NCAA needs to get its shite together!

Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:35 am
Posted by OldRebYeller
Member since Jan 2017
292 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:35 am
Despite being a slimeball, Hugh Freeze said it best at SEC Media days:

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“I think it’s the 5th year in a row I’ve been here and haven’t been able to talk about our players”


The NCAA has has a dark cloud over the program for YEARS now, and the handling of the investigation, especially the length of it, has been absolutely ludicrous. I understand that a punishment is coming, but this should definitely be accounted for in it. It's like we're the NCAA's shitty boyfriend, and they're just too scared to break up with us and just stringing us along.

Yet within a week, Nutt can go in and find Escorts on Freeze's phone

Seriously, when this all started why couldn't the NCAA have gone in, gave us our and moved on? We've had our pants down in front of the whole nation waiting for it for years now...
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95923 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:37 am to
UNC is NCAAs bottom-bitch, not Ole Miss.

Those frickers will never get what they should
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3327 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:37 am to
The lingering dark cloud of the NCAA is due to the OM administration. Most other schools in the SEC would've had this wrapped up a long time ago.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27147 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:38 am to
No, you have been in denial and obstructing to a degree... So, you know the arse raping is coming but you have to stand there, bent over the table waiting on it...
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58081 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:38 am to
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Seriously, when this all started why couldn't the NCAA have gone in, gave us our and moved on?


You sound like the guy who is shocked his wife has asked for a divorce even though she's been sleeping in the guest bedroom the last 6 months.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25878 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:38 am to
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Seriously, when this all started why couldn't the NCAA have gone in, gave us our and moved on?

Probably because OM was defiant the whole time.

If OM moves on from Freeze a year ago, everything would have gone a lot smoother.
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25282 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:39 am to
Freeze's defiance didn't help the situation. Ole Miss sure was sloppy as hell too.

But yeah, the NCAA Investigative Arm is complete horseshite (ask UNC, Lousiville, etc). It's a kangaroo court.

It's 2017 and time get a 3rd party to handle this shite.

FWIW, pay the fricking players too.
Posted by nes2010
Member since Jun 2014
6763 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:40 am to
I remember when Chizik called them out for dragging their feet with the Cam investigation.
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
17754 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:41 am to
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The NCAA has has a dark cloud over the program for YEARS now, and the handling of the investigation, especially the length of it, has been absolutely ludicrous


In their official response to the NOA, OM freaking admitted to cheating while under investigation. You don't have any semblance of a leg to stand on if your bitching about the NCAA
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32254 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:45 am to
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The NCAA has has a dark cloud over the program for YEARS now
Well, it was pretty much over until draft night - 2016. That didn't go well....
Posted by CousinEDDIEEEE
Member since Oct 2015
182 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 9:58 am to
quote:

The NCAA has has a dark cloud over the program for YEARS now, and the handling of the investigation, especially the length of it, has been absolutely ludicrous. I understand that a punishment is coming, but this should definitely be accounted for in it. It's like we're the NCAA's shitty boyfriend, and they're just too scared to break up with us and just stringing us along.


Well, when you continue to cheat after they arrive on campus they have no reason to leave and "wrap it up". UM just kept giving them more and more to investigate. They should have just opened up a branch in Oxford.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26175 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:05 am to
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“I think it’s the 5th year in a row I’ve been here and haven’t been able to talk about our players”


And whose fault is that?
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:10 am to
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It's 2017 and time get a 3rd party to handle this shite.


Comprised of whom exactly? The NCAA exists specifically to regulate collegiate sports. You can bring in a 3rd party with a shiny new name, but they would presumably have the exact same authority. They would likely reach the exact same outcomes.

You don't want an investigation on your campus? Don't cheat. You don't want it to last 5 years? Tell the investigators what you know and hold the offending parties accountable. Also don't have 5 years worth of transgressions spanning multiple coaching staffs.

Ole Miss fans need to understand this has nothing to do with an NCAA vendetta, upsetting the pecking order, 'rosebowl', or anything else. Every single thing that has happened to Ole Miss thus far has been brought on by their own hubris. You reap what you sow.

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FWIW, pay the fricking players too.

Professional leagues exist. If players want to make money, they should turn pro. If they can't they should take that up with the NFL, CFL, AFL, whatever the hell else there is out there. Same with basketball players.
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 10:14 am
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
17754 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:13 am to
Paying the players wouldn't stop cheaters, though.

Players would still be enticed with more money, more cars, more hookers, etc
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12123 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:14 am to
Holy crap, did an Ole Miss fan really just say that they know Ole Miss cheated? I never thought I would see this day.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64684 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:15 am to
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The NCAA has has a dark cloud over the program for YEARS now, and the handling of the investigation, especially the length of it, has been absolutely ludicrous

I mean y'all cheated DURING the investigation. Ole Miss also wasn't exactly forthcoming with information to begin with either. Of course it has drug on for awhile
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 10:16 am
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25282 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:15 am to
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Comprised of whom exactly? The NCAA exists specifically to regulate collegiate sports. You can bring in a 3rd party with a shiny new name, but they would presumably have the exact same authority. They would likely reach the exact same outcomes.


Maybe, but from a PR perspective they look like incompetent arse clowns. It is highly possible they don't care tho .

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Professional leagues exist. If players want to make money, they should turn pro. If they can't they should take that up with the NFL, CFL, AFL, whatever the hell else there is out there. Same with basketball players.


As long as players aren't paid and their schools/NCAA/ESPN are making a shitload of $$, shady shite is going to happen. Obviously this broader topic of discussion, but the system does not work if you want to believe in amateurism.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64684 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:16 am to
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FWIW, pay the fricking players too.

Ole Miss definitely would not benefit if paying players was legal
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41395 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:22 am to
NCAA sux dix. Waste of oxygen.
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25282 posts
Posted on 7/27/17 at 10:23 am to
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Ole Miss definitely would not benefit if paying players was legal


Yeah perhaps the smaller budgets would feel the impact more, but regardless I think it would benefit the game. Most of the P5 schools could make it work.

I'm not going to pretend that a good solution exists regarding pay for play, but I think it would be better than the current system. I'm not saying it would solve booster impropriety either, but at least the players would be guaranteed some legitimate equity.
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