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re: Old BCS- Who gets left out by the old system?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:24 am to TxTiger82
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:24 am to TxTiger82
quote:Your post is interesting...and revealing. If the SEC wasn't perceived to be the strongest conference in college football, then Oregon probably gets in. This is the perfect example of why having ALL SEC teams win their OOC games is important to ALL SEC teams...but many idiots around here don't want to see this.
Alabama has a loss, too. Oregon also has the better resume.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:25 am to ATLdawg25
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If we were taking 64 football teams, then by all means, copy the basketball format.
Without representing the non-Big 5 conferences, there is no true NCAA champion and never will be.
You would only need to take 12 teams. One spot for each of the 11 conference champions in FBS football, plus one at large bid. Top four teams get a bye for their regular season success. Play the games at the home team's field so they can make the money (seriously, screw bowls, they just steal money). Final game at a neutral site like the Super Bowl.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:26 am to northalabamacracker
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They didn't get crushed at home by 20 points. But hate on.
They beat the team that did that by almost 40 points in the last game they played. That pretty much atones for an early season loss.
But what would an Alabama fan know about atoning losses?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:26 am to coachcrisp
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Your post is interesting...and revealing. If the SEC wasn't perceived to be the strongest conference in college football, then Oregon probably gets in. This is the perfect example of why having ALL SEC teams win their OOC games is important to ALL SEC teams...but many idiots around here don't want to see this.
You get it. Great post.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:27 am to TxTiger82
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TxTiger82
Are you gonna get butthurt over some hypothetical question?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:27 am to TxTiger82
Ok. Alabama still would have a better résumé, based on the ranking system everyone agrees to play under. Your opinion on it doesn't matter.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:28 am to asphinctersayswhat
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Are you gonna get butthurt over some hypothetical question?
I just like to argue. Nobody is butthurt.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:29 am to Patton
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Your opinion on it doesn't matter.
Obviously.
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Alabama still would have a better résumé, based on the ranking system everyone agrees to play under.
I see your argument. I am just trying to get you to see there's another one. I know that you, Patton, probably do see that argument because you're an intelligent guy.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:31 am to TxTiger82
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They beat the team that did that by almost 40 points in the last game they played. That pretty much atones for an early season loss.
But, but, but, the team that lost the first game has such a huge an unfair advantage that the second game is not faaaaaaiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrr. The psychological advantage, it means the fist game didn't coouuuunnntttttttt......
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:32 am to TxTiger82
The only argument I had an issue with was saying recent history would be the reason UA would get picked over Oregon. I don't think you need recent history. All you have to do is look who each team played and beat and lost too. I suppose the recent history wouldn't hurt Alabama's chances of making it, but they aren't the reason the Tide would get in over Oregon.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:36 am to Patton
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The only argument I had an issue with was saying recent history would be the reason UA would get picked over Oregon. I don't think you need recent history.
Running theory of mine. Now we get to the heart of the matter, which coachcrisp alluded to. Its all about perception. And the SEC gets the benefit of the doubt, all else equal. This dates back to 2006 and Florida's beatdown of Ohio State.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:41 am to TxTiger82
Ok. I can see where you are coming from. I agree positive perception of the SEC does have a hand in inflating the rankings of the SEC schools. However, I don't think that inflation is too unwarranted when you actually watch the teams play. It would be a little of both as to UA getting in over Oregon. The SEC does get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to rankings, but in my opinion, most of the times those rankings are deserved.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:43 am to TxTiger82
If your asking which team gets left out if the BCS if that was the system this year, then Oregon would've been left out. I believe Alabama has been ranked #1 in the mock BCS formula since they beat MSU, and I believe the computers liked their SOS. FSU would've been in solely on their unbeaten record.
Now if you want to argue who the most deserving team to be left out is, then that is totally subjective and I couldn't care less.
Now if you want to argue who the most deserving team to be left out is, then that is totally subjective and I couldn't care less.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:30 am to Bamatab
BCS Proxy Rankings (using the AP poll in place of the now-extinct Harris poll):
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1. Alabama - 0.96557
2. Florida State - 0.95427
3. Oregon - 0.93968
4. Ohio State - 0.85485
So, the playoffs would be the same, the initial pairings would be the same. Even the spots would be the same, as Alabama at #1 still gets the Sugar Bowl.
In a BCS-style title game, Alabama would play FSU. The computers averaged Oregon below Bama and FSU, and the human voters did similar.
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1. Alabama - 0.96557
2. Florida State - 0.95427
3. Oregon - 0.93968
4. Ohio State - 0.85485
So, the playoffs would be the same, the initial pairings would be the same. Even the spots would be the same, as Alabama at #1 still gets the Sugar Bowl.
In a BCS-style title game, Alabama would play FSU. The computers averaged Oregon below Bama and FSU, and the human voters did similar.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:32 am to skrayper
Everything would be different. Bama would have zero shot of being #1 in the coaches poll. The only reason they are now is because the committee did it and it gave the coaches the balls too. So it would all be different but I think it would be 1.FSU 2. Bama
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:33 am to TxTiger82
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Oregon also has the better resume.
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LSU Fan
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:46 am to lsupride87
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Everything would be different. Bama would have zero shot of being #1 in the coaches poll. The only reason they are now is because the committee did it and it gave the coaches the balls too.
Seriously? You're going to presume you know how all the coaches feel?
I would say that it is a LOT more likely that they learned their lesson in 2012. Notre Dame still played a more difficult scheduled than FSU did, but they kept winning ugly so the Coaches voted them nearly a unanimous #1 going into the title game. We all remember that nearly every fan on the planet was basically stating that Alabama was going to go in dry, and they did. It was a thing of beautiful brutality. Since then, they probably feel that rewarding being undefeated in a weak conference or with a weak schedule is not something they were going to do if you keep winning ugly. That's precisely what FSU did, week in and week out.
Couple that with a rapist at QB...
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:49 am to LSUANDY25
Would have been FSU - Bama
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:56 am to skrayper
quote:I am going with 50 years of data. Never has a defending National title team who is undefeated dropped in the rankings, especially to a team with 1 loss
Seriously? You're going to presume you know how all the coaches feel?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:59 am to LSUANDY25
The polls are online. As are the computer rankings.
If you can run a calculator or a spreadsheet you can figure it out in 10 mins.
For the handfull of people on here that actually went to college
If you can run a calculator or a spreadsheet you can figure it out in 10 mins.
For the handfull of people on here that actually went to college
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