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re: Ok Aggies.. Johnny's Heisman doesn't really count
Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:40 pm to Swoopin
Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:40 pm to Swoopin
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I wonder if people feel guilty parading his personal tragedy to try to pony up points for their favorite team.
This, exactly. It's gone past the point of tacky and pathetic to downright disgusting.
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Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:41 pm to Alahunter
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now they'll get to witness it the next few yrs.
Not after they lose to Alabama.
And with the 'heart and soul' of their defense gone...
Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:43 pm to Alahunter
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Added it. All of ND's end of season NR's ran together.
I looked up the list- would you consider adding the 2006 season with an '*' after the 17 ranking. It was such an obvious charity of a ranking and a complete farce.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:44 pm to Alahunter
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Year --- Preseason AP rank ---- Final ranking
2011-----16--------------------NR
2009-----23--------------------NR
2003-----20--------------------NR
2001-----18--------------------NR
1999-----18--------------------NR
1997-----11--------------------NR
1994-----2---------------------NR
1985-----14--------------------NR
1984-----8---------------------NR
1983-----6---------------------NR
1982-----18--------------------NR
1981-----3---------------------NR
1979-----9---------------------NR
1975-----10--------------------NR
1960-----17--------------------NR
1956-----3---------------------NR
1951-----14--------------------NR
1950-----1---------------------NR
You picked and chose what fit your argument. What about 2002 when ND was unranked at the start of the year and finished No. 17? What about 2005 when ND started the year with one vote in the AP Poll and finished in the top 10? And of course this year when ND began unranked and will finish in the top 5, potentially No. 1.
There are some years where ND is overrated and some when underrated, just like every team.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:50 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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You picked and chose what fit your argument. What about 2002 when ND was unranked at the start of the year and finished No. 17? What about 2005 when ND started the year with one vote in the AP Poll and finished in the top 10? And of course this year when ND began unranked and will finish in the top 5, potentially No. 1. There are some years where ND is overrated and some when underrated, just like every team.
2005, the year in which morons think a Notre Dame being ranked in the top 10 was legit despite not winning a game against a team that finished the season ranked. /eyeroll
Notre Dame is always over hyped. Stating otherwise is holding up a sign that says "I don't know anything about college football and fail at life."
Also, Notre Dame is Catholic and Catholics love the whole guilt thing so they probably thought guilt tripping people into thinking Te'o was good was acceptable.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:59 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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You picked and chose what fit your argument. What about 2002 when ND was unranked at the start of the year and finished No. 17? What about 2005 when ND started the year with one vote in the AP Poll and finished in the top 10? And of course this year when ND began unranked and will finish in the top 5, potentially No. 1.
There are some years where ND is overrated and some when underrated, just like every team.
On average ND has been one of those teams that is historically overrated when looking at preseason versus final poll differential. But it isn't the worst offender. I think what makes ND seem like the worst offender is the amount of media it gets even when it sucks. That is another kind of "overrated" that really isn't ND's fault. ND has a huge following and is a big money maker for the media, so even when they are down they get a seemingly inordinate amount of coverage. It's annoying to a lot of non-ND fans because more deserving (in terms of football merit) teams lose media coverage in favor of a team that is irrelevant (again in terms of football merit).
Anyway, this was done in 2010 at the end of the 2009 season and looks at 20 years from 1990 to 2009.
Top 10 most overrated programs (in terms of poll ranking) with differential listed. Notre Dame wasn't the worst but did come in 6th:
1.Florida State: -77
2.Michigan: -76
3.Tennessee: -70
4.USC: -67
5.Clemson: -65
6.Notre Dame: -64
7.Oklahoma: -59
8.Miami: -52
9.Nebraska: -44
10.Texas: -44
Also of note, and somewhat surprising is Alabama's appearance as the 10th most UNDERrated team during that time period:
72.Alabama: 31
73.Cincinnati: 36
74.TCU: 43
75.Kansas State: 45
76.Boston College: 48
77.Iowa: 49
78.Utah: 62
79.Washington State: 67
80.Oregon: 68
81.Boise State: 71
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Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:00 pm to rmn9799
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Notre Dame is always over hyped.
Like the years I mentioned, including this year? One of the best (possibly the best, we'll find out Jan. 7) teams in college football began the year with no hype, outside the top 25. Yet they're always over hyped?
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Also, Notre Dame is Catholic and Catholics love the whole guilt thing so they probably thought guilt tripping people into thinking Te'o was good was acceptable.
You can debate Te'o's merit as a Heisman finalist. To say he is not a good player is a completely asinine statement.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:17 pm to elposter
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On average ND has been one of those teams that is historically overrated when looking at preseason versus final poll differential. But it isn't the worst offender. I think what makes ND seem like the worst offender is the amount of media it gets even when it sucks. That is another kind of "overrated" that really isn't ND's fault. ND has a huge following and is a big money maker for the media, so even when they are down they get a seemingly inordinate amount of coverage. It's annoying to a lot of non-ND fans because more deserving (in terms of football merit) teams lose media coverage in favor of a team that is irrelevant (again in terms of football merit).
Fine, but that's not about the program, or even media saying ND is good or hyping the players, as much as just talking about them generally (good or bad).
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Anyway, this was done in 2010 at the end of the 2009 season and looks at 20 years from 1990 to 2009.
Top 10 most overrated programs (in terms of poll ranking) with differential listed. Notre Dame wasn't the worst but did come in 6th:
1.Florida State: -77
2.Michigan: -76
3.Tennessee: -70
4.USC: -67
5.Clemson: -65
6.Notre Dame: -64
7.Oklahoma: -59
8.Miami: -52
9.Nebraska: -44
10.Texas: -44
Fair point, but if you take this poll after the end of this year, ND will be at the bottom of that list (maybe out of the "top" 10, depends on who 11, 12, etc. are).
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:17 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
The media sees Notre Dame this way
2-10 had a good year
6-6 superhuman team
12-0 touchdown jesus' father
2-10 had a good year
6-6 superhuman team
12-0 touchdown jesus' father
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:18 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Like the years I mentioned, including this year? One of the best (possibly the best, we'll find out Jan. 7) teams in college football began the year with no hype, outside the top 25. Yet they're always over hyped?
Is it a requirement to be dropped on your head to be a Big 10 fan?
Yes, the years you mentioned. I specifically talked about one of those years, but thanks for trying. God, yankees are so worthless.
Yes, they are over hyped this year. Who did they beat? Some scrubs in the Big 10, Big 12, and PAC 10 who haven't been relevant for more than a decade? Grats.
It's like FSU in 2002... We were overrated... big time. We get over hyped all the time. We had a bad arse streak of top 5 rankings. I don't wrap myself up in warm and fuzzy memories of events a decade plus old.
Edit: Te'o is an average SEC linebacker. I use the SEC as my measuring stick for college football.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:33 pm to rmn9799
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Is it a requirement to be dropped on your head to be a Big 10 fan?
Not a Big Ten fan.
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Yes, the years you mentioned. I specifically talked about one of those years, but thanks for trying. God, yankees are so worthless.
You talked about one of them, I mentioned three. And the one you talked about, even if you don't think they should have finished top-10, they finished 9-3 while starting the year unranked (meaning most projected them 7-5 at best).
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Yes, they are over hyped this year. Who did they beat? Some scrubs in the Big 10, Big 12, and PAC 10 who haven't been relevant for more than a decade? Grats.
Ever heard of Oklahoma and Stanford? (Michigan's also ranked, though I don't think they're very good, or anything). 12-0 with the No. 31 ranked schedule according to Sagarin. That's a better schedule than Alabama (32), Georgia (40) and South Carolina (35) and in the same ballpark as LSU (28) and A&M (25).
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Edit: Te'o is an average SEC linebacker. I use the SEC as my measuring stick for college football.
An average SEC linebacker does not lead the nation in takeaways. An average SEC linebacker does not have the least missed tackles in the country (2) of anyone with 85+. An average SEC linebacker has not had 128 tackles and 5 sacks in a season during their career. An average SEC linebacker is not a top-10, possibly top-5 NFL pick.
Heck, forget an "average" SEC linebacker, a "good" SEC linebacker doesn't even have that success.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:47 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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An average SEC linebacker has not had 128 tackles and 5 sacks in a season during their career.
see cameron lawrence. Eh, maybe not the sacks.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:03 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
I'll go through your non-sense piece by piece.
Sagarin thinks the Big 12 is the best conference. He had Auburn ranked. Additionally, citing anyone who put Auburn as the number 5 team in 2010 in their final ranking is just stupid.
FYI, his rankings were-
1.) Stanford
2.) Oregon (who lost to Auburn)
3.) Alabama (who lost to Auburn)
4.) Boise State.
5.) Auburn
Sagarin is fail. You quoting Sagarin is fail.
Stanford is not a top 5 SEC team. They're over rated every year because they beat USC who's been a joke since Pete Carroll left.
When was the last time Oklahoma beat a team that matter in a bowl game?
*** SPOILER ALERT!!!***
2005 against Oregon.
Whatever, you're still ignorant.
Yes, the 2002 year where they beat no one who mattered and were crushed by the might North Carolina State Wolfpack!
Here's your helmet, here's your bus.
The average SEC linebacker isn't unblocked 9 out of 10 running plays and doesn't have the ball throw into his face with such amazing frequency.
I'm guessing they play a lot of hockey where you're from don't they? It would explain a lot.
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Ever heard of Oklahoma and Stanford? (Michigan's also ranked, though I don't think they're very good, or anything). 12-0 with the No. 31 ranked schedule according to Sagarin. That's a better schedule than Alabama (32), Georgia (40) and South Carolina (35) and in the same ballpark as LSU (28) and A&M (25).
Sagarin thinks the Big 12 is the best conference. He had Auburn ranked. Additionally, citing anyone who put Auburn as the number 5 team in 2010 in their final ranking is just stupid.
FYI, his rankings were-
1.) Stanford
2.) Oregon (who lost to Auburn)
3.) Alabama (who lost to Auburn)
4.) Boise State.
5.) Auburn
Sagarin is fail. You quoting Sagarin is fail.
Stanford is not a top 5 SEC team. They're over rated every year because they beat USC who's been a joke since Pete Carroll left.
When was the last time Oklahoma beat a team that matter in a bowl game?
*** SPOILER ALERT!!!***
2005 against Oregon.
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Not a Big Ten fan.
Whatever, you're still ignorant.
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You talked about one of them, I mentioned three. And the one you talked about, even if you don't think they should have finished top-10, they finished 9-3 while starting the year unranked (meaning most projected them 7-5 at best).
Yes, the 2002 year where they beat no one who mattered and were crushed by the might North Carolina State Wolfpack!
Here's your helmet, here's your bus.
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An average SEC linebacker does not lead the nation in takeaways. An average SEC linebacker does not have the least missed tackles in the country (2) of anyone with 85+. An average SEC linebacker has not had 128 tackles and 5 sacks in a season during their career. An average SEC linebacker is not a top-10, possibly top-5 NFL pick. Heck, forget an "average" SEC linebacker, a "good" SEC linebacker doesn't even have that success.
The average SEC linebacker isn't unblocked 9 out of 10 running plays and doesn't have the ball throw into his face with such amazing frequency.
I'm guessing they play a lot of hockey where you're from don't they? It would explain a lot.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:24 pm to Alahunter
I have no doubt that Te'o is a very skilled player, and it's truly unfortunate that his grandmother and girlfriend died...but Johnny Manziel had an extaordinary year. To have beaten Tebow and Newton's numbers with two less games is truly historic. And I don't think that can be said about Te'o's year. JFF 
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:44 pm to rmn9799
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Sagarin thinks the Big 12 is the best conference. He had Auburn ranked. Additionally, citing anyone who put Auburn as the number 5 team in 2010 in their final ranking is just stupid.
FYI, his rankings were-
1.) Stanford
2.) Oregon (who lost to Auburn)
3.) Alabama (who lost to Auburn)
4.) Boise State.
5.) Auburn
Sagarin is fail. You quoting Sagarin is fail.
Those were not his rankings. He had Auburn No. 1. That was his predictor, if the teams played, who would be favored (because one team beats another doesn't necessarily mean they'd be favored if they played again). But his rankings had Auburn No. 1.
Regardless, I actually did some more research on strength of schedule to make my point. Funny enough, out of the five BCS computer rankings that make public their strength of schedule rankings (Wolfe doesn't) Sagarin has ND's second-lowest of the five. Here's the list:
LINK
The average ranking of ND's strength of schedule is 22.6. Bama's is 29.8. UGA's is 35.2. A&M's is 27.2. USCe's is 24.8. LSU's is slightly better than ND's at 19.2. So feel free to ignore Sagarin. It will only push ND's schedule ranking higher.
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Yes, the 2002 year where they beat no one who mattered and were crushed by the might North Carolina State Wolfpack!
They finished 17th. You act like they finished in the top 5. The Irish went 10-3 that year, including wins over 11-3 Maryland by 22 points and a win over 10-3 Michigan. They were placed right where they deserved to be at season's end, which was far better than what they were projected at the start of the season since they were UNRANKED. In no way shape or form was ND over hyped or overrated at the end of the year. But they were underrated from preseason projections.
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The average SEC linebacker isn't unblocked 9 out of 10 running plays and doesn't have the ball throw into his face with such amazing frequency.
Lol. Maybe you should be a NFL GM or college football analyst. You obviously know more than all those guys about Te'o, all of whom have him as an elite linebacker. You could save teams a lot of trouble and money by convincing them not to draft a guy that should go in round 6 with a top-10 pick. Maybe they'll even hire you as a consultant. I'm sure you've seen so many ND games this year to know and are an expert in football knowledge.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 4:23 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Those were not his rankings. He had Auburn No. 1. That was his predictor, if the teams played, who would be favored (because one team beats another doesn't necessarily mean they'd be favored if they played again). But his rankings had Auburn No. 1.
The predictor is his ranking system factoring in margin of victory. It's the more accurate but less "politically correct" version according to Sagarin.
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Regardless, I actually did some more research on strength of schedule to make my point. Funny enough, out of the five BCS computer rankings that make public their strength of schedule rankings (Wolfe doesn't) Sagarin has ND's second-lowest of the five. Here's the list: LINK The average ranking of ND's strength of schedule is 22.6. Bama's is 29.8. UGA's is 35.2. A&M's is 27.2. USCe's is 24.8. LSU's is slightly better than ND's at 19.2. So feel free to ignore Sagarin. It will only push ND's schedule ranking higher.
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https://bcscentral.info/h/2011/sos.html
Yep, Baylor had a tougher schedule than LSU last year. Garbage in, garbage out.
If you think that this Oklahoma 2011 Schedule deserves to be ranked ~10 spots ahead of this LSU 2011 Schedule, the first amendment shouldn't apply to you regarding college football.
So much for your great computers... /eyeroll
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They finished 17th. You act like they finished in the top 5. The Irish went 10-3 that year, including wins over 11-3 Maryland by 22 points and a win over 10-3 Michigan. They were placed right where they deserved to be at season's end, which was far better than what they were projected at the start of the season since they were UNRANKED. In no way shape or form was ND over hyped or overrated at the end of the year. But they were underrated from preseason projections.
They opened in the BCS poll at #3... They were in the top 10 of the BCS for the entire season. That's called over hyped. Thanks for playing.
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Lol. Maybe you should be a NFL GM or college football analyst. You obviously know more than all those guys about Te'o, all of whom have him as an elite linebacker. You could save teams a lot of trouble and money by convincing them not to draft a guy that should go in round 6 with a top-10 pick. Maybe they'll even hire you as a consultant. I'm sure you've seen so many ND games this year to know.
And one of their common complaints is his inability to get off a block... The guy looks pretty good physically, but he's had several unimpressive years and was very overrated this year. He's got the exact same problems James Laurinaitis had who Kiper and a lot of the draft analysts thought was the coming of Christ until he played against SEC teams who had the brilliant idea of blocking him.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:02 pm to rmn9799
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The predictor is his ranking system factoring in margin of victory. It's the more accurate but less "politically correct" version according to Sagarin.
No, it's not. His regular rankings had Auburn No. 1. The Elo-Chess is his ranking system without margin of victory. The Predictor is who he thinks would win in a head-to-head matchup by essentially, based on how I understand it, ignoring wins and losses (it factors them in naturally because of margin of victory/loss, but does not specifically recognize them). But in his regular rankings with wins and losses, he had Auburn No. 1. His ratings recognized Auburn had the best season, but did not necessarily think they were the best team or would be favored over other teams.
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Yep, Baylor had a tougher schedule than LSU last year. Garbage in, garbage out.
If you think that this Oklahoma 2011 Schedule deserves to be ranked ~10 spots ahead of this LSU 2011 Schedule, the first amendment shouldn't apply to you regarding college football.
So much for your great computers... /eyeroll
It takes into account the entire schedule, that's what Northwestern State and Western Kentucky do for you. However, since it seems only top teams matter to you, ND beat three top-25 teams this season tied for second-most amount of teams in the top 25 beaten with UF and Bama. USCe and LSU only beat two, UGA and A&M only beat one. One of ND's opponents that you're ragging on won four games against top-25 teams, the most of any team in the nation (they did lose one of course, to ND). ND's beaten more top-25 teams than four of the "big six" in the SEC this season, and is tied with the other two.
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They opened in the BCS poll at #3... They were in the top 10 of the BCS for the entire season. That's called over hyped. Thanks for playing.
Because they were undefeated. Obviously, they'd move up then and then drop with the loss. We were talking about how they finished compared to preseason expectations, that's how this conversation began. Technically, if ND loses Jan. 7, they'll be overrated compared to where they were at one point in the year, since they'll finish No. 4/5 when they reached No. 1, but it's ridiculous to say the team was overrated or over hyped compared to where they started the year. They were underrated and under hyped.
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And one of their common complaints is his inability to get off a block.
Most of the complaints I've seen have been concerns about his speed in being able to cover the pass (though he's dropped weight this year, which has helped him in coverage). Haven't seen any about his block shedding. Even if there is an area of his game that is a weakness, if it was so much so, NFL teams wouldn't be clamoring to pick him in the top-10. There's tons of areas players can always improve. Doesn't mean they're not great players or top prospects.
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The guy looks pretty good physically, but he's had several unimpressive years
This is complete and utter crap. He had 133 tackles as a sophomore. He had 128 tackles and five sacks a year ago. He currently leads the nation in takeaways and has the least amount of missed tackles of anyone with more than 85, showing his sure tackle ability (part of the reason his tackles are down is because the ND D is not on the field as much this year because they are much better [thanks largely to him and emergence of other players like Tuitt and Nix] which hurts the numbers, and part of the reason his sacks are down is because he's not called to blitz as much, because there are other players that can now get to the QB and so he's used more in coverage). Basically his only "unimpressive" year was his freshman year. How many true freshmen do you know that step in right away and dominate?
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He's got the exact same problems James Laurinaitis had who Kiper and a lot of the draft analysts thought was the coming of Christ until he played against SEC teams who had the brilliant idea of blocking him.
Laurinaitis is currently third in the NFL in tackles and finished eighth a year ago. I think most teams would love to have a LB of his caliber.
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Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:36 pm to Alahunter
Ah, the national media: Full of more panting bitches than a semi-annual American Kennel Club competition.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:39 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Serious response-
Predictor is his "best team model." The BCS does not allow (and some people do not like) margin of victory models.
I agree with your reasons as to why it was lower; however, the premise is so unbelievably flawed it's laughable. Playing a CUSA team like Tulsa or a Ball State isn't that great. It's not substantively different than going out and playing a D2 school. Strength of schedules models over credit playing average and below average schools with good records and under value playing highly ranked teams. They also favor conferences that play everyone in conference due to how the head-to-head match ups are treated.
Stanford is the only team on Notre Dame's schedule that has any meaning. They're an above average team. Beating up teams in the Big 10 and Big 12 has no meaning. They're bad conferences now. They used to dominate college football. The SEC used far down the conference rankings. That's not the case now. The gap between the SEC and the Big 10 and Big 12 is massive. The distance between the PAC 10 and SEC is larger than it's ever been.
They weren't that good. They rose in the polls amazingly fast- much faster than any team not named Notre Dame goes up in the polls.
You should look harder. If you watch the games, it's easy to see. People have knocked him on this too. I don't think that many of the teams they play have any clue how to block a 3-4, which to be fair, is an uncommon defense. His coverage is still very suspect, but the interceptions hide that. If you watched Notre Dame games, the overwhelming majority of his picks were not due to coverage ability. They were due to luck and extremely poor quarterback play.
He couldn't play sideline to sideline last year. That's unimpressive. He can play sideline to sideline this year. That's expected.
Laurinaitis gets inflated stats by being on one of the worst linebacking groups in the NFL with a pretty good defensive line. He's a poor pass rusher with decent coverage skills for a linebacker. He's not terrible. He was overrated. You might be able to call him underrated in the NFL. He's not a top 30 linebacker.
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No, it's not. His regular rankings had Auburn No. 1. The Elo-Chess is his ranking system without margin of victory. The Predictor is who he thinks would win in a head-to-head matchup by essentially, based on how I understand it, ignoring wins and losses (it factors them in naturally because of margin of victory/loss, but does not specifically recognize them). But in his regular rankings with wins and losses, he had Auburn No. 1. His ratings recognized Auburn had the best season, but did not necessarily think they were the best team or would be favored over other teams.
Predictor is his "best team model." The BCS does not allow (and some people do not like) margin of victory models.
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It takes into account the entire schedule, that's what Northwestern State and Western Kentucky do for you. However, since it seems only top teams matter to you, ND beat three top-25 teams this season tied for second-most amount of teams in the top 25 beaten with UF and Bama. USCe and LSU only beat two, UGA and A&M only beat one. One of ND's opponents that you're ragging on won four games against top-25 teams, the most of any team in the nation (they did lose one of course, to ND). ND's beaten more top-25 teams than four of the "big six" in the SEC this season, and is tied with the other two.
I agree with your reasons as to why it was lower; however, the premise is so unbelievably flawed it's laughable. Playing a CUSA team like Tulsa or a Ball State isn't that great. It's not substantively different than going out and playing a D2 school. Strength of schedules models over credit playing average and below average schools with good records and under value playing highly ranked teams. They also favor conferences that play everyone in conference due to how the head-to-head match ups are treated.
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It takes into account the entire schedule, that's what Northwestern State and Western Kentucky do for you. However, since it seems only top teams matter to you, ND beat three top-25 teams this season tied for second-most amount of teams in the top 25 beaten with UF and Bama. USCe and LSU only beat two, UGA and A&M only beat one. One of ND's opponents that you're ragging on won four games against top-25 teams, the most of any team in the nation (they did lose one of course, to ND). ND's beaten more top-25 teams than four of the "big six" in the SEC this season, and is tied with the other two.
Stanford is the only team on Notre Dame's schedule that has any meaning. They're an above average team. Beating up teams in the Big 10 and Big 12 has no meaning. They're bad conferences now. They used to dominate college football. The SEC used far down the conference rankings. That's not the case now. The gap between the SEC and the Big 10 and Big 12 is massive. The distance between the PAC 10 and SEC is larger than it's ever been.
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Because they were undefeated. Obviously, they'd move up then and then drop with the loss. We were talking about how they finished compared to preseason expectations, that's how this conversation began. Technically, if ND loses Jan. 7, they'll be overrated compared to where they were at one point in the year, since they'll finish No. 4/5 when they reached No. 1, but it's ridiculous to say the team was overrated or over hyped compared to where they started the year. They were underrated and under hyped.
They weren't that good. They rose in the polls amazingly fast- much faster than any team not named Notre Dame goes up in the polls.
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Most of the complaints I've seen have been concerns about his speed in being able to cover the pass (though he's dropped weight this year, which has helped him in coverage). Haven't seen any about his block shedding. Even if there is an area of his game that is a weakness, if it was so much so, NFL teams wouldn't be clamoring to pick him in the top-10. There's tons of areas players can always improve. Doesn't mean they're not great players or top prospects.
You should look harder. If you watch the games, it's easy to see. People have knocked him on this too. I don't think that many of the teams they play have any clue how to block a 3-4, which to be fair, is an uncommon defense. His coverage is still very suspect, but the interceptions hide that. If you watched Notre Dame games, the overwhelming majority of his picks were not due to coverage ability. They were due to luck and extremely poor quarterback play.
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This is complete and utter crap. He had 133 tackles as a sophomore. He had 128 tackles and five sacks a year ago. He currently leads the nation in takeaways and has the least amount of missed tackles of anyone with more than 85, showing his sure tackle ability (part of the reason his tackles are down is because the ND D is not on the field as much this year because they are much better [thanks largely to him and emergence of other players like Tuitt and Nix] which hurts the numbers, and part of the reason his sacks are down is because he's not called to blitz as much, because there are other players that can now get to the QB and so he's used more in coverage). Basically his only "unimpressive" year was his freshman year. How many true freshmen do you know that step in right away and dominate?
He couldn't play sideline to sideline last year. That's unimpressive. He can play sideline to sideline this year. That's expected.
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Laurinaitis is currently third in the NFL in tackles and finished eighth a year ago. I think most teams would love to have a LB of his caliber.
Laurinaitis gets inflated stats by being on one of the worst linebacking groups in the NFL with a pretty good defensive line. He's a poor pass rusher with decent coverage skills for a linebacker. He's not terrible. He was overrated. You might be able to call him underrated in the NFL. He's not a top 30 linebacker.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:43 pm to mostbesttigerfanever
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Let me be very clear about something......
I absolutely loathe bama.
that is all
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