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re: Now Maryland goes BigTen, do SEC go after Virgina Tech & North Carolina
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:16 am to 504Saint
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:16 am to 504Saint
UNC is not going to leave a conference they essentially run for the SEC. they aren't going to want to bow down to slive's cronies in bham. NCSU i could see coming as they would want to escape big brother's shadow.
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Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:17 am to bayou2003
I think he means Missouri figuratively sucks dick, while A&M literally sucks dick.
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 11:18 am
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:20 am to Spaceball 1
first of all 16 is coming it's only a matter of time ...
So with that being the case I would ideally like to have UVA & UNC ... but as stated before NUC won't leave Duke and UVA is a key ACC charter member and more than likely won't leave either.
So that being the case we will most likely have to settle with NC State & Va Tech I'll be fine with this.
Remember when it comes to adding teams to the SEC only one thing matters ... how much $$$ they can add to the SEC Digital Network. If the schools don't add to our TV rating they won't be invited in ... so this is why Virginia and North Carolina are the natural choices.
Also SEC ADs vote via a commitee on who gets added as well and those schools with potential sec teams in state won't allow because they don't want the cmopetiition ( also it hurts the SEC money pools so Slive ultimately vetos it as well)
USCe / Clemson
Florida / Florida State
Georgia / Georgia Tech
Kentucky / Louisville
Texas A&M / Texas
As I have said it only makes sense and they are our only hopes
VA TECH & NC STATE
So with that being the case I would ideally like to have UVA & UNC ... but as stated before NUC won't leave Duke and UVA is a key ACC charter member and more than likely won't leave either.
So that being the case we will most likely have to settle with NC State & Va Tech I'll be fine with this.
Remember when it comes to adding teams to the SEC only one thing matters ... how much $$$ they can add to the SEC Digital Network. If the schools don't add to our TV rating they won't be invited in ... so this is why Virginia and North Carolina are the natural choices.
Also SEC ADs vote via a commitee on who gets added as well and those schools with potential sec teams in state won't allow because they don't want the cmopetiition ( also it hurts the SEC money pools so Slive ultimately vetos it as well)
USCe / Clemson
Florida / Florida State
Georgia / Georgia Tech
Kentucky / Louisville
Texas A&M / Texas
As I have said it only makes sense and they are our only hopes
VA TECH & NC STATE
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:27 am to Spaceball 1
I hate Blacksburg but Charlottesville is one of my favorite college towns. I'd make the trip every other year to Charlottesville when UGA played there. Already been to Blacksburg, don't care to go back.
UVA would also help the SEC's academic standing as well as bringing in decent basketball and good baseball. UVA has shown it possesses the ability to be a decent program as it was under the Walsh era, but Groh's tenure was turrible.
UNC and Duke likely won't ever leave the ACC unless it totally collapses, but NCSU isn't real pleased with being the redheaded stepchild in the Triangle...they would make the jump.
UVA would also help the SEC's academic standing as well as bringing in decent basketball and good baseball. UVA has shown it possesses the ability to be a decent program as it was under the Walsh era, but Groh's tenure was turrible.
UNC and Duke likely won't ever leave the ACC unless it totally collapses, but NCSU isn't real pleased with being the redheaded stepchild in the Triangle...they would make the jump.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:33 am to Spaceball 1
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Va Tech>>>> Virginia. Va Tech fanbase is awesome.
I'd like to see them become our permanent rival.
The universities are so similar it's eerie.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:39 am to McRebel42
The big prize is UNC and it is correct they won't leave. Unless they have to. If they see the ACC as unstable they will bolt. They don't love the SEC but they are more at home in the SEC than the Big 1G.
NC State is a bad addition as they are mediocre in everything. Mediocre support. Mediocre in all sports. Mediocre tradition. Mediocre academics. More importantly though they are a branch of UNC and UNC controls their BoR. There is NO WAY that UNC allows NC State to go SEC while UNC is left in the ACC.
UNC will also drop Duke. They can still play them OOC in basketball and that is really the only connection that matters. By going to the SEC they also get UK on the schedule which will make their elitists feel better.
I love VTech and they are definitely the best cultural fit. That said, UVA is the bigger prize. UNC and UVA are ELITE academic schools, esp amongst public schools. Adding them completely changes the academic reputation of the SEC not only by adding 2 AAU members but 2 of the most prestigious and powerful members of the AAU. Both schools also have very well rounded AD's.
Remember it is college presidents that do the voting, not AD's.
NC State is a bad addition as they are mediocre in everything. Mediocre support. Mediocre in all sports. Mediocre tradition. Mediocre academics. More importantly though they are a branch of UNC and UNC controls their BoR. There is NO WAY that UNC allows NC State to go SEC while UNC is left in the ACC.
UNC will also drop Duke. They can still play them OOC in basketball and that is really the only connection that matters. By going to the SEC they also get UK on the schedule which will make their elitists feel better.
I love VTech and they are definitely the best cultural fit. That said, UVA is the bigger prize. UNC and UVA are ELITE academic schools, esp amongst public schools. Adding them completely changes the academic reputation of the SEC not only by adding 2 AAU members but 2 of the most prestigious and powerful members of the AAU. Both schools also have very well rounded AD's.
Remember it is college presidents that do the voting, not AD's.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:39 am to NATidefan
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I think he means Missouri figuratively sucks dick, while A&M literally sucks dick and masturbates incessantly to fill mason jars.
FIFY
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:49 am to aggressor
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The big prize is UNC and it is correct they won't leave
I hear lots of rumors that UNC runs the ACC like t.u. runs the Big 12. Academic cred notwithstanding, does the SEC need that much of a headache in its camp?
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NC State is a bad addition as they are mediocre in everything.
Actually they're #6 in men's b-ball. With UNC facing serious NCAA sanctions for their A-A Studies course chicanery, NC State could pass them.
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UNC and UVA are ELITE academic schools, esp amongst public schools. Adding them completely changes the academic reputation of the SEC not only by adding 2 AAU members but 2 of the most prestigious and powerful members of the AAU. Both schools also have very well rounded AD's.
No disagreement here, and if the B1G thinks that UVA can't add any markets that Maryland already has, UVA may be interested in an SEC invite.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:53 am to KaiserSoze99
What it means is that teams like Ohio State, Michigan and Nebraska will have to schedule likely two big non conference games every year. That is how bad the BIG sucks football wise. They can't get any strength of schedule in that league!
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:55 am to KaiserSoze99
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THE STUPID frickING B1G TOLD MISSOURI NO, BUT THEN WENT AFTER MARYLAND....frickING MARYLAND....
I have been thinking the same thing. I realize Mizzou isn't Texas or Alabama, but I sure think more college football fans would want to watch us over Maryland and fricking Rutgers. (nb4tvmarkets)
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:57 am to McRebel42
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So that being the case we will most likely have to settle with NC State & Va Tech I'll be fine with this.
I don't really see how it is settling. If we could get UNC instead of NC State that would be better, I admit, but both of those are great schools with big fanbases and reputable athletic programs.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:02 pm to Quidam65
NC State occasionally has a moment. They won the NCAAB team in '83 with Jimmy V for instance. They upset FSU this year in football. Problem is they aren't built for the long term to compete. They have a 57k stadium and mediocre facilities, esp by SEC standards. They have 0 NC's and 7 ACC Titles in 60 years (last one in 1979). They would be a guaranteed lower tier SEC football school with no hope of consistently competing. More importantly as I said though they are CONTROLLED by UNC quite literally. Even if UNC let them go you would have a school in the SEC that is controlled by another school in a different conference. Screw that.
UNC hasn't accomplished a great deal in football but it is because of lack of focus. They have a solid recruiting base and have gotten plenty of talent. They have a ton of money. They have a great reputation. If they really took football seriously they could become a power. Worst case though they are a true blue blood basketball school in the same vein as UK and they field strong teams across the board athletically. You also simply cannot dismiss the overall power of the school either, they are a real heavyweight in terms of influence. There is a little bit of elitism to worry about but in the end they aren't complete egomaniacs like Texas is, in fact a lot of people don't realize just how much they run the ACC.
UNC hasn't accomplished a great deal in football but it is because of lack of focus. They have a solid recruiting base and have gotten plenty of talent. They have a ton of money. They have a great reputation. If they really took football seriously they could become a power. Worst case though they are a true blue blood basketball school in the same vein as UK and they field strong teams across the board athletically. You also simply cannot dismiss the overall power of the school either, they are a real heavyweight in terms of influence. There is a little bit of elitism to worry about but in the end they aren't complete egomaniacs like Texas is, in fact a lot of people don't realize just how much they run the ACC.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:12 pm to aggressor
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There is a little bit of elitism to worry about but in the end they aren't complete egomaniacs like Texas is, in fact a lot of people don't realize just how much they run the ACC.
A blustering egomaniac like t.u. you can handle, his own ego is his downfall. A behind-the-scenes egomaniac like UNC, where you don't realize until it's too late that he gets everything he wants and YOU get screwed in the deal, is way worse.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:19 pm to 1999
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UNC is not going to leave a conference they essentially run for the SEC.
Is that "power" and the Duke rivalry worth the $20mil PLUS in tv and bowl revenue that they would cost themselves yearly in order to remain the ACC?
At some point, this all comes down to common cents.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:35 pm to BreakawayZou83
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I don't really see how it is settling. If we could get UNC instead of NC State that would be better, I admit, but both of those are great schools with big fanbases and reputable athletic programs.
I agree with this and plus they add big $$$
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:35 pm to Quidam65
NC is nowhere near Texas. Texas is out front and underhanded and never ending in their desire to push everything to their advantage. They only see a conference as a vessel to get whatever they want. UNC at least plays well with others and understands they have to build a coalition to succeed. Maryland leaving is significant because MD is one of the schools (like UVA) that UNC has a longstanding relationship with to run the conference. Of course their real source of power is having 3 other pocket votes with the other NC schools and their LONG relationship with UVA.
UNC is greedy but they aren't stupid.
UNC is greedy but they aren't stupid.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:07 pm to aggressor
THe two most logical additions will never happen due to Gay-tor and Chicken butthurt. Clemson and FSU are football schools, that are SEC in everything but conference. No one gives a crap about basketball (Sorry Mildcats and Mo U)
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:33 pm to LSUDonMCO
I am all for helping veto Clemson and FSU. As long as they help us veto Texas if the day ever comes.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:34 pm to 504Saint
I feel like if the SEC expands it will go west some more.
And I hate that. I liked us being the western edge.
And I hate that. I liked us being the western edge.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:47 pm to Numberwang
Conference expansion sucks for the fans and for the athletes in non-revenue sports. But money and ego are the driving factors.
I didn't want the SEC to go from 12 to 14, but it did. I don't want it to go from 14 to 16, but it very well might. If so, I'd like to see two ACC schools. FSU and Clemson are the best cultural fits, but they don't expand the conference footprint into new states. A school from North Carolina (preferably UNC, but NC state would be okay) and a school from Virginia would be the best bet. BTW, Virginia Tech absolutely does not deliver the DC market as some have said. I lived there for five years and the vast majority of DC fans give zero f*cks about VT.
I didn't want the SEC to go from 12 to 14, but it did. I don't want it to go from 14 to 16, but it very well might. If so, I'd like to see two ACC schools. FSU and Clemson are the best cultural fits, but they don't expand the conference footprint into new states. A school from North Carolina (preferably UNC, but NC state would be okay) and a school from Virginia would be the best bet. BTW, Virginia Tech absolutely does not deliver the DC market as some have said. I lived there for five years and the vast majority of DC fans give zero f*cks about VT.
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