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re: Notre Dame's defense/special teams: A detailed look
Posted on 12/19/12 at 7:55 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Posted on 12/19/12 at 7:55 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Kapron Lewis-Moore (#89)
Went to school with him 7-12 grade. Will be cheering for my buddy in this game
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Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:00 pm to FleurDeLonestar
Sounds like you really needed your kicker to get by some really crappy teams.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:04 pm to reedus23
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Sounds like you really needed your kicker to get by some really crappy teams.
Not really. The only game that statement applies to is Pitt, and they're not "really crappy", just mediocre.
This post was edited on 12/19/12 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:11 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Not really. The only game that statement applies to is Pitt, and they're not "really crappy", just mediocre.
Pitt...lost to Youngstown State. Enough said.
Purdue...only wins came against Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Michigan, Marshall, Indiana, Illinois and Iowa.
BYU...No, you're right, you needed a 4th quarter TD to squeak by them, not a FG.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:12 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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just mediocre.
at best. Ole Miss is going to destroy them in the bowl game
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:21 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Good info 
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:33 pm to reedus23
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Purdue...only wins came against Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Michigan, Marshall, Indiana, Illinois and Iowa.
Didn't "need" a FG.
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BYU...No, you're right, you needed a 4th quarter TD to squeak by them, not a FG.
Keep in mind without Golson due to injury.
You put too much stock into how close these games were and not the facts that they were wins. Florida struggled with BGSU and ULL. USCe struggled with Wofford. A&M struggled with La Tech. That's the name of the game in college football, find a way to emerge on top. Just ask 02 OSU.
This post was edited on 12/19/12 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:38 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Didn't "need" a FG.
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Kicked the game-winner against Purdue under a minute
Guess you didn't "need" it, it only won the game for you with 7 seconds left.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:41 pm to reedus23
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Guess you didn't "need" it, it only won the game for you with 7 seconds left.
ND was 2-0 in OT this year. The kick wasn't needed.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:47 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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You put too much stock into how close these games were and not the facts that they were wins.
I give ND credit for winning the games they played. However, I take them for what they are, a majority of which are ugly wins against mediocre teams at best. If my son's school basketball team goes undefeated, barely beating some other crappy school teams, does that mean they have a chance against the top 1 loss AAU team? No. They're undefeated season is a product of their playing lesser teams.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:50 pm to reedus23
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I give ND credit for winning the games they played. However, I take them for what they are, a majority of which are ugly wins against mediocre teams at best. If my son's school basketball team goes undefeated, barely beating some other crappy school teams, does that mean they have a chance against the top 1 loss AAU team? No. They're undefeated season is a product of their playing lesser teams.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 8:51 pm to reedus23
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barely beating some other crappy school teams, does that mean they have a chance against the top 1 loss AAU team? No.
But it wasn't just crappy teams. Had it been then okay, maybe you're right. But ND also beat a very good Stanford team. ND beat a very good OU team on the road by 17 and a solid Michigan team.
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They're undefeated season is a product of their playing lesser teams.
According to most strength of schedule rankings, Notre Dame had a harder schedule than Alabama, and one fewer loss.
This post was edited on 12/19/12 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 12/19/12 at 9:06 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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But it wasn't just crappy teams. Had it been then okay, maybe you're right. But ND also beat a very good Stanford team. ND beat a very good OU team on the road by 17 and a solid Michigan team.
Ok, let me re-phrase it. If my son's school basketball team went undefeated by barely beating a bunch of other crappy school teams and a couple of decent AAU teams, does that mean they can beat the top 1 loss AAU team? No. Their undefeated season is still a product of their schedule.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 9:12 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
I'm not saying ND is bad, they're just a product of their schedule. Their schedule could have been brutal but lucky for them they caught Michigan State, Michigan, Miami, Pitt, USCw and to a lesser extent Oklahoma and USCw on down years. Some really good programs historically, but just not this year.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 9:19 pm to reedus23
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Ok, let me re-phrase it. If my son's school basketball team went undefeated by barely beating a bunch of other crappy school teams and a couple of decent AAU teams, does that mean they can beat the top 1 loss AAU team? No. Their undefeated season is still a product of their schedule.
1) Calling Stanford and Oklahoma "decent" is wrong.
2) You say ND's record is a product of the schedule, yet it's better than Bama's, according to most rankings. That's my main point. I just think you underrate the strength of ND's schedule (or, perhaps, overrate Bama's a little).
This post was edited on 12/19/12 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 12/19/12 at 9:25 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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a solid Michigan team.
I watched the replay of Notre Dame vs Michigan today. That was an awful football game. Alabama blew Michigan out, in Dallas. ND needed about 6 turnovers to beat UM by 7 points. At HOME. If you think Bama is going to turn the ball over 6 times...You're crazy.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 9:35 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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1) Calling Stanford and Oklahoma "decent" is wrong.
2) You say ND's record is a product of the schedule, yet it's better than Bama's, according to most rankings. That's my main point. I just think you underrate the strength of ND's schedule (or, perhaps, overrate Bama's a little).
Oklahoma is over rated. What was their best win? Texas? Texas Tech? Oklahoma State? It's a good win for ND but don't act like they were better than good. Their 10-2 record is just as much a product of their schedule as ND's record.
Stanford was a quality win. I don't think they're as strong as they were the last couple of years, but to me, that was your best win.
ND wouldn't be playing in a BCS bowl much less in the BCSCG if they had to play the rigors of an SEC schedule. Bama had to play numbers 7, 8 and 9 just within the conference and that number 9 will show just how over rated Oklahoma is.
I can tell you, there is a huge difference between Alabama, Georgia and A&M (and I would presume LSU but we didn't play them)and a soft 10-2 Oklahoma team. So yes, your strength of schedule is going to get bumped from playing a soft 10-2 team when in reality Oklahoma probably would have been the 5th, maybe 4th, toughest opponent on Bama's schedule, and that's being generous.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 9:39 pm to Hater Bait
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I watched the replay of Notre Dame vs Michigan today. That was an awful football game. Alabama blew Michigan out, in Dallas. ND needed about 6 turnovers to beat UM by 7 points. At HOME. If you think Bama is going to turn the ball over 6 times...You're crazy.
That was a gawd awful game. That is kind of my point too. Most of ND's games were gawd awful but to their credit, they managed to be the less suckiest team on the field. That just won't cut it against Bama.
Posted on 12/20/12 at 12:25 pm to reedus23
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Oklahoma is over rated. What was their best win? Texas? Texas Tech? Oklahoma State? It's a good win for ND but don't act like they were better than good. Their 10-2 record is just as much a product of their schedule as ND's record.
Stanford was a quality win. I don't think they're as strong as they were the last couple of years, but to me, that was your best win.
ND wouldn't be playing in a BCS bowl much less in the BCSCG if they had to play the rigors of an SEC schedule. Bama had to play numbers 7, 8 and 9 just within the conference and that number 9 will show just how over rated Oklahoma is.
I can tell you, there is a huge difference between Alabama, Georgia and A&M (and I would presume LSU but we didn't play them)and a soft 10-2 Oklahoma team. So yes, your strength of schedule is going to get bumped from playing a soft 10-2 team when in reality Oklahoma probably would have been the 5th, maybe 4th, toughest opponent on Bama's schedule, and that's being generous.
How do you know there's a difference between LSU and A&M and UGA and a team like Oklahoma? I don't mean that sarcastically. It's basically your opinion. Again, their schedule is more highly regarded overall than those teams.
Look at how A&M did throughout their schedule. They beat ONE top 25 team (Alabama). Lost to the other top 25 teams they played. Struggled mightily with La Tech, could have easily lost to Ole Miss. A two-loss team that beat ZERO other top-25 teams and struggled with two average at best teams won AT Alabama. But ND, who went undefeated and beat two top-11 teams can't win at a neutral site? What if OU just so happens to beat A&M in the Cotton? LSU also LOST two games, and struggled against Towson, Ole Miss, Auburn and Arkansas. How do we know that team is great? All I'm saying is you're using your opinion and putting it as fact. You have no clue ND wouldn't be in a BCS bowl if they were in the SEC.
Posted on 12/20/12 at 1:26 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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How do you know there's a difference between LSU and A&M and UGA and a team like Oklahoma?
Dude, its stoops.
But, forreal, thanks for posting this breakdown. good stuff.
I dont think ND has the horses to keep up with Bama. But it will be a good game.
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How do you know there's a difference between LSU and A&M and UGA and a team like Oklahoma?
because we watch A LOT of football.
I think this Bama-ND game is going to be a lot like the Bama-Ole Miss game. ND will come out ready to fight, but Bama will just keep on coming.
Bama has a big advantage in DBs, WRs, and RBs. If ND thinks they are just gonna sit back and try a bend but dont break approach on D, they are gonna be in for a rude awakening.
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